Shut Up, Dude

If you’ve found Yeezus, join our ongoing Comment Party, and feel free to revisit our song of the summer kick-off to nominate a song from the album. Amrit and I are at Bonnaroo this weekend, and you can follow us at @scottgum and @amritsingh for reviews, photos, and ZZ Top Vines. But first, relive your best and worst comments of the week below.

THIS WEEK’S 10 HIGHEST RATED COMMENTS

#10

Gabriel Quiquemelle | Jun 12th Score:12

CHVRCHES – Gun

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#9

Raymond Gonzalez | Jun 12th Score:12

Vampire Weekend’– “Diane Young”
Wild Nothing–”A Dancing Shell”
!!!–”One Girl One Boy”
Phoenix–”Entertainment”
Daft Punk feat. Pharrell Williams–”Get Lucky”
Janelle Monae feat. Erykah Badu–”Q.U.E.E.N.”

Posted in: Let’s Shortlist The Song Of The Summer 2013
#8

Adrian Rojas | Jun 12th Score:12

JAI PAUL – STR8 OUTTA MUMBAI

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#7

Jack Nielsen | Jun 12th Score:13

Anything on the Disclosure album…

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#6 jammies | Jun 12th Score:13

Something out of this world from Yeezus no doubt.

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#5

Robbie Price | Jun 12th Score:14

Mikal Cronin – Change

Posted in: Let’s Shortlist The Song Of The Summer 2013
#4 sac | Jun 12th Score:15

Is “Ya Hey” too thematically dark for summer? If not, I’ll vote for it. If yes, I’ll nominate “Diane Young” in its stead.

Outside of VW, I think “Sea of Love” by The National might be my personal song of the summer

Posted in: Let’s Shortlist The Song Of The Summer 2013
#3

Benjamin Gordon | Jun 12th Score:15

And I really like White Noise more than When A Fire Starts to Burn

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#2

Benjamin Gordon | Jun 12th Score:26

Get Lucky. Is this really a competition?

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#1 Elvis vs. Shark | Jun 7th Score:29

Where I End and You Begin is minor league?! NO. STRIKE ONE, YOU’RE OUT.

One of my favorite songs of all time. As in, ever, of all of the bands.

Also I’ll always remember getting this album because I raced my friend to the record shop to get it. I was on my bike and he had a car, and I won. But really we both won because it is a fantastic record.

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THIS WEEK’S 5 LOWEST RATED COMMENTS

#5

Kevin Broydrick | Jun 13th Score:-7

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#4 michael_ | Jun 8th Score:-8

Nope, you got a few things wrong. All of us are special in their own way, so please don’t put anyone down by saying they don’t matter. And secondly, as a true music fan especially during the week that Nine Inch Nails returned with a new single and announced an entire tour, you should know threats to go away are idle, and things like “retiring,” “indefinite hiatuses,” and “having your account removed” are just politely worded ways of saying “brb.”

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#3 carcrashkiss | Jun 12th Score:-8

what’s Kurt Vile – Walkin’ on a Pretty Day?

yeah, let’s vote for this song! because we know it that well.

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#2 michael_ | Jun 8th Score:-9

Plus, what’s your deal on here anyway? The only times I see your name pop up is to criticize me. Is that your redeeming value to this site? To push someone who is already down a little more? Seems pretty pointless.

It’s been an interesting experiment over the last couple of years or so. Faced with leaving the infrastructure of traditional comment sections and figuring out what the right thing to do is in this new world – I found myself realizing that for me to have any concept of how to interact with the community and know what they might want / what they find appropriate, I need to immerse myself in that world and live it for a while. The reason no comment section knows how to market anything to new media is they don’t live there. They don’t get it because they don’t use it. What you’ve seen happen with the marketing and presentation of _ over the last years is a direct result of living next to you, listening to you, consuming with you and interacting with you. Directly. There’s no handlers or PR people here, it’s me and my head – that’s it. There’s no real plan, even – it’s just trying to do the right thing that respects you the Stereogum reader, the music, and me the commenter. That’s the goal – a mutual and shared respect.

When Stereogum’s comment section made it’s way to my radar I looked at it as a curiosity, then started experimenting. I thought it through and in light of where I was / am in my career I decided to lower the curtain a bit and let you see more of my personality. I watched some of you get more engaged because you started to realize there’s a person (flaws and all) back there, and I watched some of you recoil in horror because I’m not what you projected on me. All expected. I’m not as concerned about “breaking” your idea of _ at this point. It is what it is and I am what I am. The relationship between commenter and fellow commenter is changing if you haven’t noticed, along with the way we consume and experience music site comment sections and even communicate since the internet arrived.

The problem with really getting engaged in a community is getting through the clutter and noise. In a closed environment like Stereogum a lot of this can be moderated away, or code can be implemented to make it more difficult for troublemakers to persist. It’s tedious and feels like wasted energy doing that shit, but some people exist to ruin it for others – and they are the ones who have nothing better to do with their time. Example: on Stereogum, there’s 3-4 different people that each reply between 5 – 10 messages per day of delusional, often threatening nonsense. I can ignore hem, but they just sign back in and start again. Yes, the site’s admins are implementing several changes to address this, but the point is it quickly gets very old weeding through that stuff.

I approached this as a place to be less formal and more off-the-cuff, honest and “human”. I was not expecting to broadcast details of my personal life there, but it happened because I’m in a transition stage and it’s all I think about and that’s that. If this has bummed you out or destroyed what you’ve projected on me, fair enough – it’s probably time for you to leave. You are right, I’m not the same person I was before 2009 (and I’m not happy about that). Are you?

Cutter’s tip for my friends there: remember to cut along the length of vein, not across. Bigger payoff.

So when you see these accounts that pop up daily on Stereogum spewing exactly the kind of thing I just discussed, usually from meme-spawned creatively named profiles, spewing hate at me, take a moment to visualize the sad couple people behind me. A few years ago some people tuned me in to that world and when I figured out who these people were, I was amazed that I’d been seeing them at my friend’s parties in Brooklyn and following me on Twitter. I really don’t understand what kind of “friend” spends that kind of time talking to a person, to then dedicate an incredible amount of time and energy into non-stop hate diatribes online. That one puzzles me a little.

Anyway, I’m bored on a Saturday night and there’s no real moral to the story here, just writing. I won’t be tuning out of the social networking sites because at the end of the day I’ve become desensitized to it, and the experiment seems to have yielded a result. Idiots rule.

I had thought a while ago about attempting to start a mainstream public forum that required real verification of it’s participants for purposes of context. The idea was to have a place where you can actually discuss whatever and have some idea of who you’re conversing with. For example, if we were discussing drumming techniques and you can see that someone participating in the discussion is a drum instructor vs. a 13 year old kid Googling answers, you’d have the proper context in which to have a potentially valid discussion. If we were discussing EDLC’s heart condition and a real cardiologist speaks up, I’d value his opinion over, say FredFuckFaceWhateverHisLastFuckingNameIs’s “opinion”. Know what I mean? Anyway, we’re in a world where the mainstream social networks want any and all people to boost user numbers for the big selloff and are not concerned with the quality of experience.

With all of that said, I have business in the real world to attend to including wrapping up a new season of Arrested Development, DOING some uncool new shit and spending as much time as possible with absolutely no one.

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#1 michael_ | Jun 7th Score:-9

I find it very odd that Raptor Jesus has again seized the opportunity at my expense to work his way up the figurative ladder of Stereogum’s teachers’ pet. Let’s be honest: He rode my efforts on here to secure himself a guest post two years ago, and then when the writers here later turned against me and began to erase evidence of my existence, Raptor snuck back in full onand has basically done what I used to do but without having had to endure all the criticism and b.s. I did during my presence.

Raptor Jesus, only recently did I discover your apology to me (http://www.stereogum.com/1288471/diiv-fuck-sxsw/franchises/wheres-the-beef/comment-page-1/#comment-8061591) about how you felt bad that you had caused my eventual demise on here due to that whole guest post debacle. I’ve thought about that comment for quite some time from both a professional and personal perspective and I can’t accept your apology. It was a dirty move that hurt me in many ways, you stepped on my head in a really shitty way from a professional stance, and would I be writing this comment wondering if yet another IP of mine will join the others in being banned? Probably not. The day I see your real name on here in the by-lines (because it’s going to happen) is probably going to be the day I give up on life. I don’t know who you really are, but I just know that one bad thing you did to me.

Posted in: Shut Up, Dude: This Week’s Best And Worst Comments

THIS WEEK’S EDITOR’S CHOICE (SCOTT)

homesickalien | Jun 12th Score:2

It’s actually a pretty unguarded interview and a must read for those who love him as much as those who hate on him. He creative mind is as nuclear as it is polarizing. It’s easy to look at him like you’re in a car passing a wreck, but he continually speaks without a governor which, I guess is, um, admirable?

After reading it, I think people are going to be more frightened of Yeezus than originally suspected when it drops (it’s quoted as being the ‘Anti-Graduation’ album and based on this article get the sense its going to be very stripped down) He also could not have gotten away with this upcoming album without the explosive critical success of Dark Fantasy which will take on a whole new place in the Kanye timeline after it’ll now be seen as a wedge of sorts between albums. I bet Yeezus will be his In Utero of sorts, a creative glass ceiling he’s been given the ability to break because of the sorta talent success he received from ‘Fantasy.’ It’s also a realization that his personal privacy is all but gone in his life now. This is not to say he hasn’t been famous for some time no and knows this, its just that MBDTF was him ‘back on shelves’ and now it appears he’s about to graciously blow that all up with this release.

Either way, it will be a compelling listen. It’s pretty fascinating that an artist who has arguably created one of the greatest rap albums will now completely put on the brakes and redirect his route with what appears to be a ‘trap, drill, house’ attack. All I can say is….suhweeeet.

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Comments (78)
  1. So Shortlist something like…

    “Get Lucky” — Daft Punk
    “White Noise” — Disclosure feat. AlunaGeorge
    “Ya Hey” or “Diane Young” — Vampire Weekend
    “Sea of Love” — The National
    “Change” — Mikal Cronin ( I loved this song and music video! )
    #YEEZUS
    “Str8 Outta Mumbai” — Jai Paul
    “Gun” — CHVRCHES
    “Q.U.E.E.N.” Janelle Monae feat. Erykah Badu
    “Entertainment” — Phoenix
    “One Girl One Boy” — !!!
    “A Dancing Shell” — Wild Nothing

  2. Meh, kind of a boring week for top comments. A buncha shout outs to songs. Oh well.

    At least michael_ finally got the respect he deserves.

    • I need more Michael_ in my life

        • I dunno. I haven’t really been keeping up with the comments lately. There hasn’t been a strange occurrence or big Comment thing. I mean (When he wasn’t batshit crazy and ranting about behind the scenes things that had little to do with the music), Michael_ brought some seriously interesting discussion to the table.

          Plus the dude inspired me to write my own blog about music. Dude’s like my personal Batman.

    • I wonder why I was downvoted… One only need skim the rest of this thread to see where it stems. I don’t know michael_ well, but his self absorbed pontifications aren’t very fun to me.

  3. Okay, let’s try this again. I think there’s some hiccup due to length of comments. Sorry for the pieces but it’s the only way it appears to work.

    I take it that my appearance in this week’s worst comments is recognition of my return? Because that last time I technically scored the best comment, it wasn’t counted.

    Full disclosure: I’ve asked the leaders here if I could return and that’s that. I even went as far as to e-mail from my IRL e-mail account.

    Let’s talk about life and music, though. I have a very important PSA this week, and I’m not joking around here or trying to steal thunder of any sort with it. It’s just something I need to say.

    • Wednesday, I found out that a kid I grew up with throughout elementary and high school passed away after he jumped in front of a train in NYC. I didn’t know him too, too well as he was a few years older than me, and you know how things go in the younger years where talking to someone two or three years older or younger than you seems pretty alien. He was a very interesting, funny guy, though, and smart, too. An only child with a sweetheart of a mother. Unfortunately, he was also the target of a lot of bullying from popular kids who made fun of his weight and because he wore all black and looked very metal during high school, which didn’t fly too well in my square-as-suburbia city. The last time I saw him was a few years back when he was visiting home when I ran into him at a bar and we had small talk, and he seemed like he was doing very well for himself out in NYC (and he was.) It was so awesome to know that he had won out in life by putting all those dicks who made fun of him back in the day by making it out in the big city. I don’t know what happened between now and then, but from everything I have read and seen about him since his passing, he still seemed very well put together. He was still into metal (but good on him, because all the metal he was into is Pitchfork fodder now) but he also had grown to enjoy indie rock as well. It angers me knowing that I was a little kid who saw someone get bullied, and you can’t do much about it. We need to be nicer to people regardless of what they look like or how different they may be. You don’t know how words from the past can take their toll on someone in the long run. This is probably something that’s preaching to choir here, but I just need to say it. I wish someone or something could have changed his mind. It’s one of those situations where you wished you could have taken the time to get to know someone better in retrospect. Maybe that would have helped.

      Oddly enough, Speedy Ortiz’s “No Below” was premiered within the hours of learning this news and it’s a song that’s been on repeat ever since which has provided some solace. They are proudly within my area code, and I’m so happy to see them rising in notoriety. Do everything you can to listen to them. This site has been doing a quality job in that regard (shout out Michael) as have they with other basement scene favs from the upper east coast. (Although, no coverage of the new Potty Mouth last week?)

    • Wednesday, I found out that a kid I grew up with throughout elementary and high school passed away after he jumped in front of a train in NYC. I didn’t know him too, too well as he was a few years older than me, and you know how things go in the younger years where talking to someone two or three years older or younger than you seems pretty alien. He was a very interesting, funny guy, though, and smart, too. An only child with a sweetheart of a mother. Unfortunately, he was also the target of a lot of bullying from popular kids who made fun of his weight and because he wore all black and looked very metal during high school, which didn’t fly too well in my square-as-suburbia city. The last time I saw him was a few years back when he was visiting home when I ran into him at a bar and we had small talk, and he seemed like he was doing very well for himself out in NYC (and he was.) It was so awesome to know that he had won out in life by putting all those dicks who made fun of him back in the day by making it out in the big city. I don’t know what happened between now and then, but from everything I have read and seen about him since his passing, he still seemed very well put together. He was still into metal (but good on him, because all the metal he was into is Pitchfork fodder now) but he also had grown to enjoy indie rock as well. It angers me knowing that I was a little kid who saw someone get bullied, and you can’t do much about it. We need to be nicer to people regardless of what they look like or how different they may be. You don’t know how words from the past can take their toll on someone in the long run. This is probably something that’s preaching to choir here, but I just need to say it. I wish someone or something could have changed his mind. It’s one of those situations where you wished you could have taken the time to get to know someone better in retrospect. Maybe that would have helped.

    • Wednesday, I found out that a kid I grew up with throughout elementary and high school passed away after he jumped in front of a train in NYC. I didn’t know him too, too well as he was a few years older than me, and you know how things go in the younger years where talking to someone two or three years older or younger than you seems pretty alien. He was a very interesting, funny guy, though, and smart, too. An only child with a sweetheart of a mother. Unfortunately, he was also the target of a lot of bullying from popular kids who made fun of his weight and because he wore all black and looked very metal during high school, which didn’t fly too well in my square-as-suburbia city. The last time I saw him was a few years back when he was visiting home when I ran into him at a bar and we had small talk, and he seemed like he was doing very well for himself out in NYC (and he was.) It was so awesome to know that he had won out in life by putting all those dicks who made fun of him back in the day by making it out in the big city.

    • This isn’t going to work. Someone is blocking my comment. Maybe there’s a word filter in there or something preventing it from posting. The tl;dr version of it is to be nicer to people and get to know people. A kid I grew up with passed away this week out in NYC under terrible circumstances, and all I can think of are the times that so many people made fun of him because he was different looking and it sucks.

      • Oddly enough, Speedy Ortiz’s “No Below” was premiered within the hours of learning this news and it’s a song that’s been on repeat ever since which has provided some solace. They are proudly within my area code, and I’m so happy to see them rising in notoriety. Do everything you can to listen to them. This site has been doing a quality job in that regard (shout out M. Nelson) as have they with other basement scene favs from the upper east coast. (Although, no coverage of the new Potty Mouth last week?)

        Other than that, anyone else get NIN / GSY!BE tickets? I went for the pre-sale and scored crazy good seats. They sold out within seconds, so I was very fortunate.

        I like Yeezus, but Death Grips.

      • Oddly enough, Speedy Ortiz’s “No Below” was premiered within the hours of learning this news and it’s a song that’s been on repeat ever since which has provided some solace. They are proudly within my area code, and I’m so happy to see them rising in notoriety. Do everything you can to listen to them. This site has been doing a quality job in that regard as have they with other basement scene favs from the upper east coast.

        • (Although, no coverage of the new Potty Mouth last week?)

          Other than that, anyone else get NIN / GSY!BE tickets? I went for the pre-sale and scored crazy good seats. They sold out within seconds, so I was very fortunate.

          I like Yeezus, but Death Grips.

          • I got my floor pre-sale tix for NIN/gy!be in Brooklyn. I’m pretty stoked.

          • nigga, you more narcissistic than Yeezy himself

          • Okay, you call me narcissistic, so what the hell is the point of the Shut Up, Dude comments, then, because even in my absence, I’d check in every so often as to what was being talked about around here, and week after week, Shut Up, Dude has increasingly evolved into “things people liked about this week’s music news and releases” + “personal anecdotes in relation to all of the week’s news and releases (i.e. plans to go to shows, where exactly someone was when they heard a song, an album, etc.)”

            Maybe I’ve misconstrued this weekly section on the site, but I’ve always taken it to be a more relaxed and sloppy human counterpart to all the other posts and features written on this site.

          • Using news items or songs as devices for a dialogue of self-reflection is a very different thing than aimless, solipsistic pontification.

          • Oh, okay. So when I say it, it’s “aimless, solipsistic pontification.” When one of your comment section-controlling buddies does (because that’s what it is these days — the same handful of people calling the shots and setting the pace of what goes around here,) it’s ” a dialogue of self-reflection.”

            I understand now why Donnytilla left and why he wrote to tell me afterward how right I was about this place.

          • From my understanding, Donny left because comments had devolved into a state of the majority vote of regulars here downvoting and influencing others to downvote not because those peoples’ opinions were incorrect, but because grudges were being held and even if that person said the might right-on thing, it’d be clobbered with thumbs downs just so the person could get the point and go away. Yeah, that looks to be true as I look above to see several comments not even with me as its focus and talking merely about music in the red. So you all like reading comments here, as long as they’re coming from you and your fellow comment section regular friends. Congrats. So progressive.

          • The only thing you can do at this point is bank on your regular status clout to make others dislike me. My presence frustrates many of the loudest voices here to the point that you have to respond to everything I say with a .gif or meme or just plain old text telling me to shut up and go away, hoping that downvotes and yelling at me bullies me off the site, instead of ya know, just ignoring it like I do the many comments that I don’t agree with / disinterest me because wasting time is pointless. Not going to name names, but it’s so many of you have to and love to “win” at Stereogum comment writing, and I wish you could just relax and not expect everything you read here have to be a scientific report on Daft Punk as written by Raptor Jesus.

          • I see so much of how I felt last year (pre- and post-frustration faux paus, of course) where when you’ve become one of the more “celebrated” commenters on here, you get comfortable with your place asserting your voice as somewhat of an unofficial authoritarian as to how the comments should work, what should be talked about, what bands should be talked about, and at the same time, an unspoken paranoia of being threatened by anything that might upset that balance or steer the attention you’re used to having away from you. I get that, and I hope a lot of you realize at some point that when you take it all too, too seriously, you kill the buzz on web sites like this from even existing since its no longer become a shared community of different POVs but rather, just the one you want it to have.

          • tl;dr version: I’ve really nothing against anyone here in the end, I’m sorry that you do. Find a new target of your frustrations. I’ll be talking about music from here on out…

  4. Wednesday, I found out that a kid I grew up with throughout elementary and high school passed away after he jumped in front of a train in NYC. I didn’t know him too, too well as he was a few years older than me, and you know how things go in the younger years where talking to someone two or three years older or younger than you seems pretty alien.

  5. Oh please just go away and stop filling every comment section with your endless, trivial, bloated bullshit!

    • Hey Raptor Jesus, it looks like they’re kicking us out…

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          • Damn Michael_, you haaaaaaaate Raptor Jesus. You’ve made three separate unprovoked and extremely passive aggressive jabs at him in this comment section alone. I’ve never been a regular at any comment section other than this one, but I would imagine that certain commenters butt heads all the time over differences in opinions. This is different though, you hate RJ in a deep and complex way, like deep down you really love him and want to be him or some shit.

          • No offense to Raptor (I wish he had a real name at this point, like Conor, or something because it’s tough to type this with a straight face) but I wouldn’t want be him because then that would mean having the same tastes in music as him and I prefer mine.

            He’s a great person to point to as an example on here, though, because he’s certainly the most prolific in terms of number of posts all over this site, so it makes sense to me to refer to him when giving an example of the imbalance of fairness around here.

          • And this is exactly what I was talking about above — You’re setting the pace with what you want the rest of the readers to think by saying I “hate” him. You put that thought into their head, make up this story of jealousy and envy, so now everyone is going to read it and say, “Yes, he’s right! Downvote michael_! He’s the bad guy!” I expected more from you plb102, because I don’t recall ever really being on your bad side nor were you on mine, but it looks like it’s a team effort to make me stay down.

          • I think you are a real interesting guy Michael_, for me you’ve always made this comment section better. And maybe I was being silly saying you wanted to be him, but your Raptor Jesus mentions in this comment section read really vicious to me. You name drop him all the time, I’ll admit I’m not inside your head but from the outside it seems like you are more than a little preoccupied with him.

          • That’s the problem with comment section “arguments.” I could be sitting here being sarcastic or joking around (raptor jesus, for what it’s worth, is as much a namedrop meme to me in terms of Stereogum lore as RubberJohnny or d-tits was) and you can be sitting there thinking I’m seriously flipping out with steam blowing out of my ears.

            You’re mistaking observation with preoccupation. Maybe because a lot of you still read and post actively on a daily basis, you don’t pick up on it, but in between the time I asked to have my username removed and last week’s reemergence, I’d still observed from the outside the discussions going down. My findings? Raptor Jesus I firmly believe is the face of the Stereogum comments section. I say that not as an insult or criticism, but rather a clear of observation based on how frequent he posts and the (high) quality of them. It isn’t envy or a lust to take his spot. I wouldn’t make a direct relation to him out of fear of offending him, but there was a time where I had a similar ubiquitous presence and was rewarded for that. From what I’ve gathered, he is a writer and I think he’s done a very good job at building his network on here, even if just for fun and the love of music.

          • Sorry M_, not buying it. Given your history I can’t give you the benefit of the doubt. This is the same guy who’s thoughtful, heartfelt, and in my opinion unnecessary apology you refused to accept. And even if I am mistaking preoccupation with observation, if your observation is that RJ’s comments are endless, trivial, bloated, bullshit it doesn’t come off like you have a very positive feelings for him. You can play it off as sarcasm or joking around all you want but it came across passive aggressive as fuck.

            While I do think you can be a little paranoid and overly dramatic when it comes to the whole me vs. the world thing, you have been ganged up on at times. If it comes down to M_ vs. people who want M_ to “Fuck Off” sign me up for team M_ every time. I gotta call it like I see it though. I love your rants, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve noticed that you have gone off in a comment section a few days late and read each of your posts word for word. But I think you are misguided a lot of the time. I haven’t chimed in in a while b/c I was either late to the party or just didn’t have anything interesting to add, but for whatever reason this time I felt compelled…

          • I accepted Raptor’s apology, so you aren’t right about that one: http://www.stereogum.com/1376021/shut-up-dude-this-weeks-best-and-worst-comments-80/franchises/shut-up-dude/comment-page-1/#comment-8131732

            Anyway, I don’t agree with how you feel or what you think because none of it true or correct, so I guess this conversation ends here. See ya, man.

          • Was wondering if you ended up accepting and I missed it, my bad I should have gone back and checked. Agree to disagree I guess, later dude.

        • I read last week that Donny downsized his commenting because he got tired of people just downvoting thoughts without really bothering to read what they said, and rather holding grudges against the author, and I can see that’s all this place has become. Just in this thread alone, I can see three of my comments downvoted that really have nothing to do with me,but rather the music alone. And then downvoting one about a childhood friend who committed suicide the other day by jumping in front of a train. Classy and empathetic. But Raptor Jesus squawks about his job and having to cover tornado damage and its upvote city. That’s so beyond hypocritical to many of the criticisms of me that I can’t even.

          And then there’s this in-crowd of regulars here setting the pace of what goes and what doesn’t go (Raptor Jesus — sorry, man, but it’s true. You’re the king holding court that everyone follows suit in whether you want to admit it or not. Then there’s constant cynics like Cerebrus, Kidchair Michael Hanna, who are none too quick to show up to kick someone who is already down to begin with but never bother to do much else to add to the music discussion here, and they’ve been like that since forever.)

          I really am trying to contribute something of worth here and do right by the point of the comments section, but in all my earnest efforts to ease back into the swing of it, I just see downvotes and “SHUT UP, I HATE YOU!” + .gif or meme image replies trying to get a rise out of me so it can appease your efforts to paint me as the villain. Good job, everyone. You’re all great people.

          I don’t actually need to contribute to the discussion here, but it used to be a fun way to talk music with like-minded music junkies. I guess that’s not what this site is anymore. It’s very cliquey and filled with people who only want to read the opinions coming out of there keyboards. How progressive.

          For what it’s worth, I’ve received e-mails in private from revered regulars like “Sloth Drop,” Kevin B., Dick Litman, D-Tits himself!, saying “I feel ya, man, and I don’t blame ya for being vocally frustrated. You’re basically right about the entire thing.” So, have fun turning on each other at some point because the Internetz iz serious bizness.

      • Especially this one m_, why did lintmonster’s comment(which I don’t endorse) make you want to shit all over Raptor Jesus?

        • shit, I wanted this to go under the lintmonster comment…

        • I can see where you would misunderstand my reply as me wanting “to shit all over” RaptorJesus IF you were to focus on “lintmonster”‘s words of “trivial” and “bullshit,” but the focus I was putting my response on was more so on “endless” and “bloated” and how it means that the length of my comments are too long that I should go away. And if that is the case, then that would mean Raptor should have to leave, too, since he writes many, many sentences and paragraphs in his posts, content value excluded.

          • Even if you were allowed to pick and choose which words to focus on after the fact, endless and bloated are still extremely negative.

          • Depends how you define endless and bloated. I’m guilty of writing endless and bloated comments if they’re defined by just the sheer length and word count, as are many other people. I’m not sure how you took it, though. It sounds like we’re reading two entirely different Stereogum comment sections where my version isn’t as offensive as the one you see.

  6. I have a theory that the comments sections are vital to this site’s traffic. Why do I think this? Because seriously, what self-respecting music writer would want all of this garbage going on beneath numerous articles all the time? I’ll bet Tom lays awake at night trying to think of something else that would generate as many repeated visits from readers.

    • Shut up Dude isn’t an article though. Comment sections on reviews and other features don’t usually get this ridiculous. Plus do you really think they are that humorless? I bet some comment sections make them laugh their asses off.

      • Unless michael_ is commenting on them. Then they’re always that ridiculous.

      • I think it had to have gotten old for them after a while, and in fact, Michael_ has spoken of friction with Tom. The comment sections elsewhere were extremely ridiculous for a long time before Michael_ “left” the site.

  7. Oh hey! Look at that! michael_ too over another comment section with his incessant self-centered ramblings. How completely unoriginal.

    Stereogum, please make it stop. You have the power. It’s obvious there is a serious sickness here and your including his comments in the least popular when you KNOW that’s going to happen any time he posts something is the very definition of beating a dead horse. It’s pointless. Just, please, stop giving him the attention he’s so badly trying to generate for himself. It’s unfair to the people who are actually here to talk about music.

    • “He’s not talking about music! He’s not talking about music!”

      Actually, they were and it should have ended at the Yeezus thoughts, but then Michael Hannah, plb and you came in here and started talking about how much you guys dislike having me around here because I “always” make the focus of the dialogue to revolve around me me, when really — YOU are to blame to turn for resurrecting the focus about my past follies when I’m around. Please stop being so obsessed with me (because you are at this point! It’s cyberbullying, to be quite honest!)
      It’s unhealthy to the comment section’s purpose and enjoyability. I’m here to talk about the music. You clearly aren’t. If you dislike my existence here, just ignore me or something. I’m pretty fed up with this. It’s immature. The only serious sickness going on is this really boring argument you and your buds keep flaming peppered with horribly incorrect accusations of mental illnesses. Group psychosis, much?

      • I was, and still am, going to stop harping on everything I was talking about above, but I have to call you out for putting words in my mouth. Not only did I never say I disliked you our complained about how you always put the focus on yourself, I went out of my way to say that I didn’t feel that way at all.

        With all the nonsense I’ve spewed in the past 24 hours how could I criticize anyone for not talking about music? I do realized I’m probably being pretty annoying right now. On one level I don’t really care, I’m just looking to entertain myself with these comments. However, I do (internet)like a lot of you and I don’t want to be a total ass. It would probably be best if I gave the M_ psycho analysis a rest for a while…

        • Thanks for the clarification, plb, and up until yesterday, I never read any criticisms from you, so we’re good. I’m just tired of what’s really become a group beatdown by the same people. It’s old and tired. I only respond to the others’ criticisms because I’m bored and I have the time on the weekend, and it entertains me knowing something so irrelevant as someone’s ability to post on a Stereogum comment section bothers them so much to the point that medical diagnoses are being fielded over blurred accounts of dramatic fiction. I’ve even grown bored of it, so harp amongst yourselves. Last time I checked, this place was pretty all-inclusive.

      • Dude, I’ve made exactly three comments in relation to you in the last, what, six months? Nobody is obsessed with you but YOU. Nobody else made ANYTHING about you but YOU. I mean, do you honestly think we’re all stupid, that we can’t read what you’ve written? It takes one little comment, a couple of words even, to set you off and you’re gone on some self-loathing, woe is me rant for several thousand words. And there is not one small iota of cyber-bullying happening here. I’m not calling you names or threatening you, I’m telling you that you need help and asking Stereogum to stop supporting your sickness. Suicide isn’t a joke, and it’s something I’ve dealt with at a very close, personal level. Until you grasp that fucking concept you will NOT receive any sympathy from me. You aren’t here to talk about music, you’re here to talk about yourself. If you were truly here to talk about music that’s what you would do. But you don’t do that, you just continue to write numerous long posts about yourself and how bad everyone treats you. You can’t be ignored, because you take over entire comment sections with your inane ramblings. Bleh. So frustrating.

        • 4 just in this post.
          3 just in last week’s post.
          But who’s counting?

          If you want me to stop replying, stop discussing this. You keep it going, not me. Again, I wasn’t the one who deviated the topic of discussion away from music. For that, look to your fellow hyper-critical brethren and take that issue up with them.

          I don’t need help. I’m 110% healthy mentally and physically. I think you are overreacting.

          • No. You are factually incorrect. You’re taking words that mean something totally different and turning them into what you need to keep talking about yourself, and keep feel sorry for yourself.

            You are the one who did exactly what you’re denying. Remember, we can all read your posts.

            How many times have you threatened and or joked about suicide? You are far, FAR from perfectly healthy in any capacity.

          • I’m not familiar with your personal background and life experiences in the outside world, but it looks to me like you are projecting some unfortunate memories onto me and deducing way too much about my real life self, my real life health and real life personality based on trivial Internet banter. I don’t feel comfortable continuing on this discussion and apologize that my presence brings up certain negative memories for you. Good luck.

          • I’m surprised it took you so long to play that card. I saw it coming a long time ago. Your self-centered, nonsensical, bullshit apology is certainly not accepted.

          • Cerebus, I mean no offense, but I think you need to take a queue from plb in psychoanalyzing commenters around. I don’t know what’s going on your real life, but it sounds to me like it’s hit a personal nerve with you and maybe you need to step away from here for a bit and remember this isn’t real life.

          • I gotta say you have to cut out the suicide references michael_. If you’re serious you need to talk to someone. If you are fucking around it’s not funny. I hope you don’t see this as piling but as someone who finds the idea of you hurting yourself to be disturbing.

          • You left a comment about someone you know from elementary school dying by jumping in front of a train, and it had zero to do with the article. Find a human friend.

  8. This is some crazy shit.

  9. Sometimes the way to resolve conflict is to walk away from it. Also, how about These New Puritans?! I didn’t know they had Fields of Reeds in them. So good.

  10. There’s a reason I never came back to this thread after my original comment…it appears my fears were justified.

  11. Spurs or Heat?

  12. So…. Get Lucky?

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