Thurston Moore

Sonic Youth co-leaders Thurston Moore and Kim Gordon announced in 2011 that they were separating after 27 years of marriage, and talking to Elle last year, Gordon painted a sad picture of the breakup: “It ended in a kind of normal way — midlife crisis, starstruck woman.” Gordon never named the woman who Moore was seeing, but the internet quickly discovered her identity: Eva Prinz, who edited art books for Moore’s Ecstatic Peace publishing house. Moore and Prinz are still together, living as a couple in London, and Moore has finally gone on the record about the affair.

As Pitchfork points out, Moore had a few things to say about it in a recent interview with The Fly:

I’m in a really romantic place with Eva; we’ve kinda been a couple for close to six years. A lot of those years, nobody was very aware of it except us. The cat’s been out of the bag a while now…

I’ve had some life issues. In your 40s and 50s things can change in ways that upset the order of things that have been established over 25 years-plus of marriage. It’s really distressing. You have to work through it, it’s very personal and I don’t really talk about it so much. It’s just something I work through in my own world.

I’m involved in a really sweet relationship, and it really does make me happy; it truly does. But I’ll always have that experience of sadness that a separation brings, especially one that was as important, not just to me but everybody around us. There have been some fall-outs, but that’s to be expected. It’s pretty heavy.

Well, uh, I’m sorry you’ll have that experience of sadness, dude. I’m sorry it’s “heavy.” But based on all available evidence, is there anyone who’s not Team Kim on this one?

Comments (29)
  1. I’m on team ‘who cares’. Let people do what they want in relationships. It’s not my business.

    • On the one hand, I’m totally with you. It just feels wrong talking about this like it’s anyone’s business but those involved, and it almost seems to represent the same disappointing attitude larger publications have about celebrity gossip, but set in the microcosm of the music we actually listen to. On the other hand – I do kind of care. I’ve been listening to Sonic Youth for 15 years, and most of their fans have been listening far longer than that. I’m not saying it’s a justified attitude, but when you love a band for a while you start feeling connected to them, and any obvious dissonance within the band (like, say, a divorce) is difficult to not accept on a personal level.

  2. Do we really have to be on a team?

  3. Back in 2009 I met with this woman about designing her wedding. That woman was Eva Prinz. Oddly enough, Thurston was with her at the meeting, even though she was marrying someone else. The job turned out to be a nightmare; she was clearly displaying behaviour of an unhinged opportunist, learnt after I dealt with her for several months. Sly and coquettish at the start, but bursts of tangential, irrational lashing out became the norm later on. At the wedding, Thurston and Kim were in attendance, naturally. If the six years quote is true, then the whole thing sounds even a bit more fucked up. But hey, all the best to them. I’m sure it’s true, eternal love.

  4. It’s really heartbreaking that this is his side of the story. It’s just so selfish. I mean, none of this is my business but if he is going to offer up his private life why not make an effort to give his perspective something people can sympathize with? The entire narrative of their divorce in the media is “Thurston cheated, Kim tried really to make it work, Thurston was indifferent, Kim moves on with the grace and class of a perfect angel warrior hero” For his quote to be 2/3rds about how happy he is just comes across so shitily. I’m sure he is a complex human being and I am not saying he doesn’t deserve to be happy but how is he THIS unaware? Dude, make an effort if you are going to make an effort!

  5. it’s idiotic to talk about team kim or team thurston with this issue. relationships may end, people may find love in other people and it’s a person’s right to make those choices that will make them happier. did thurston lie to kim or make the situation less than classy? maybe. but there is nothing related to these in the story and i don’t see why the writer expects all the readers to be on kim’s camp. grow up.

  6. b-rar  |   Posted on Mar 4th +3

    > is there anyone who’s not Team Kim on this one?

    Taking sides in a break-up involving people you don’t know? That’s … mature.

  7. Granted, having a long affair is one of the worst ways (short of a more nefarious or perhaps criminal form of deception) to end a marriage. That said, life is complicated, people change, and things don’t always work out. To take Pope Frances Ha out of context, “Who am I to judge?” So I’ll go ahead and not get on a team, no matter how weird Thurston’s new relationship might seem. I just hope everyone’s doing ok now.

  8. I appreciate that people here are trying to be evenhanded and not take sides in something that is frankly none of our business, but to be perfectly honest, cheating on someone is totally unacceptable and makes you a bad person.

    • I disagree. It’s a bad thing to do, definitely, and generally I would hope a decent person would express more remorse about an affair and not treat it in such a blase way, but I don’t think it inherently makes you a bad person. Good people sometimes do bad things, and people change.

      • And considering, if a prior poster’s account is accurate, Eva was having an affair with Thurston while preparing for her wedding, I’m pretty skeptical about the prospects of this relationship. I guess we’ll see how Thurston Moore feels about it in a few years, with the benefit of hindsight and in a better place to objectively judge his actions.

        • My account is indeed accurate, as it is a first-hand account, not hearsay through some music fan channel. It was Eva’s second marriage, and the ceremony was planned quickly because she was due to give birth shortly afterwards. Thurston was present at more than one of our meetings, and never said a single word at any encounter. It was a very, very weird situation.

          • Isn’t it kind of odd to have a random dude who’s not one of the couple at a wedding-planning meeting? I never had friends accompany me to meetings with wedding vendors, each time it was my then-fiance or my mother.

    • Is it our business? Well, let’s backtrack. The press release issued through Matador originally about their separation read:

      “Musicians Kim Gordon and Thurston Moore, married in 1984, are announcing they have separated. Sonic Youth, with both Kim and Thurston involved, will proceed with its South American tour dates in November. Plans beyond that tour are uncertain. The couple has requested respect for their personal privacy and does not wish to issue further comment.”

      …But then Kim and Thurston invited the world into the discussion about their relationship now that they’ve both made recent statements about it publicly in interviews, which is why we’re here right now. You can’t anticipate the public, be it fans or writers, to not pass judgement once you’ve elected to put the info out there for consumption.

      I’ll avoid airing my opinion about someone’s personal life considering what happened the last time I did so. I thought we weren’t supposed to be in the business of knocking others’ lifestyle decisions around here, so I’m deferring back to you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    • I registered to express gratitude. I get that we’ll never know everything about another couple’s breakup, but Thurston’s volunteering he’s a dick here. If we can’t “judge” that, we shouldn’t be voting, parenting, or operating heavy machinery either.

  9. “Don’t shit where you eat.”

  10. I remember after Rather Ripped came out in 2006, after hearing some of the lyrics (like “Turqoise Boy”), and then going to one of the shows, I had a strong instinct that there were marital problems. I think that led to Rather Ripped being one of the very best records they made. That’s my silver lining to this.

    I’m on Team I hope they can find a way to keep working together, as impossible as it sounds now. And I hope the best for Coco.

  11. At the end of the day, the only people who know what went down in the Moore-Gordon household are Kim and Thurston. And any information coming out of either ‘camp’ is going to be heavily biased and edited. People will make judgments, because that’s what people do, but to assume that the judgments are based on fact is highly problematic.

    I’m disappointed that Thurston cheated, but what was going on in his marriage to make him feel like cheating was acceptable? I’m proud of Kim for being so strong in the public eye, but why is she being so public about private details in an attempt to demonize Thurston? There are two sides to everything, and so it is futile to pretend that we know enough about the inner workings of their relationship to come to conclusions.

    Divorce is unfortunate — especially when it results in the break-up of my all-time favourite band — but it happens and what is most important is that both parties move on, find happiness, co-parent as best as is possible, and say ‘fuck it’ to people who are quick to judge without recognising that there are two sides to every story. And I say this from first-hand experience.

  12. best just to listen to/celebrate Sonic Youth.

  13. “But based on all available evidence, is there anyone who’s not Team Kim on this one?”

    Me. I’m with Team “Get your idiotic invasive opinions out of other people’s personal lives”.

    Yup; so someone made a record or a movie and now you feel entitled to have an opinion about their relationships and take sides (you still at High School choosing which kid is more popular)?

    So what if someone makes a statement about their personal life? It’s *still* not your business and *still* something that you don’t have a right to an opinion on (unless you were the one in the relationship).

    If you feel entitled to pass judgement on everyone else’s relationship; especially one you have no personal connection to. Get out of everyone else’s business and go seek help for your obvious emotional issues that make you behave this way.

    You can still talk about their relationships and how it impacts their art; you can talk about the narrative; but for goodness sake stop being such a pathetic asshat and stop dividing this kind of thing into “teams”.

    • Also so what if they published statements? That you still feel the need to dive in just shows you’re the problem. You could just hear them out and then move on.

  14. Yeah, I was angry at Thurston Moore although his affair was his personal life and shouldn’t be my business. Nobody ever wins a divorce, so let us not pick teams. We lost a great band, and I think Kim Gordon and Thurston Moore know that, so rather use them as voodoo dolls for the woe of collectivist teenage angst, follow the band’s advice and kill yr idols.

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