Bret Easton Ellis often brings artists he enjoys onto his podcast for wide-ranging discussions. Beginning with Kanye, and following that with others including Matt Berninger and Ezra Koenig, Ellis’ latest guest is Kurt Vile. Vile doesn’t show up until about 14 minutes in, but as usual Ellis’ lengthy lead-up to introducing his guest is part of the fun. It’s worth listening to, especially for the in-depth discussion of Vile’s childhood. Listen to it below.