Lorde was the guest on the first episode of the Rookie podcast hosted by Tavi Gevinson. There’s two parts to their conversation — one that’s being shared now, another that’ll be released closer to the release of Melodrama in June — and in the first part they talk about the divide between Ella Yelich-O’Connor and Lorde, the making of the album, and being vulnerable in songwriting. She also shared an early demo of “Green Light” — you can hear that at the 26m30s mark. Listen to the full episode below.