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These Smashing Pumpkins shows aren’t going so well. In part for their crowd-confounding setlists, but more so for their consistent devolution into excruciatingly awkward Corgan therapy sessions. The latest dispatch from the fault lines comes from the Pumpkins’ hometown shows at the Chicago Theatre. This time, for the now infamous, sarcastic and ranting “Everything Is Beautiful” encore portion of the show, Billy again turned the mic over to a ticketholder to hear the crowd’s perspective on the ongoing saga of his inexplicable meltdown. However this time his randomly selected crowd ambassador was more of a sycophant than a heckler. (“You’re the man, we trust you! You guys rule! Don’t ever stop playing. We love you. You gotta believe in yourself!”)

Oddly, you don’t get the impression that’s what Billy wanted to hear. If this is some Tony Clifton crowd-antagonizing performance art BS, consider that moment a backfire. And when Corgan takes back the mic, he continues on with the acerbic, vindictive, self-doubting, totally unhinged tone of his previous spiel which included masturbatory fantasies of bending Sarah Palin over his amp (and thinking of the audience to help get him off), comparing his fans to his ex-girlfriends (who take all his money and never love him), and generally wondering why the world is out to get him. Just watch the video:


(via Blabbermouth)

Sad. Read takes on the shows from hometown critics Greg Kot and Jim DeRogatis. No sign of fake Iha.

Comments (51)
  1. zayin_451  |   Posted on Nov 20th, 2008 0

    Billy Corgan is not a standup comic and even if he were, Rock musicians should not do 10 minute long skits at their shows. It feels like someone broke a guitar string and they are awkwardly stalling while it gets fixed or something.

  2. oh god this is getting bad. and sad. that man used to lead the first band that i ever obsessed over. i hope he cuts it out soon and seeks help for things other than his ego.

  3. I’m so goddamned sick of Billy Corgan. If only he would have faded to obscurity after Zwan. According to wikipedia: “Billy Corgan has struggled with depression for much of his life, including bouts of self-injury, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and suicidal thoughts.”

    I’m not sure these strange onstate antics are what the doctor prescribed.

    • T. Record  |   Posted on Nov 20th, 2008 0

      fade after ZWAN? This band has always sucked (with the exception of one or two tracks on ‘Siamese…’), right along with the rest of the pseudo rock chumps from the 90′s…what a pathetic decade for music

    • stop quoting wikipedia in all of your posts

  4. ev  |   Posted on Nov 20th, 2008 0

    he probably should’ve taken out his retainer before losing his mind in front of a microphone….

  5. zap  |   Posted on Nov 20th, 2008 0

    The world to Billy Corgan: “Because you’re a used up tool of a musician with no new or fresh ideas. All you do is coast on your past and berate your fans. Go fuck yourself.”

  6. This is starting to look like he’s already written a script for these shows. Practically forcing the crowd to hate him. My last shred of hope in the Pumpkins lies in the thought that Billy has another Siamese Dream already finished, but he’s not going to release it until after this terrible comeback (which is staged; it’s meant to shit; Zeitgeist was an inside job!), where the world is turning it’s back on them. Then suddenly….BAM!! We’re rockin’ it like it was 1993!!
    Come on…please be true..please…

  7. The way things are falling into place it’s starting to seem like Axl Rose might soon be more relevant and loved than Billy Corgan. Who’d a thunkit?

  8. spence  |   Posted on Nov 20th, 2008 0

    yeah so what’s with the lisp?! shut the fuck up and play 1979 already!

  9. Black Jesues  |   Posted on Nov 20th, 2008 0

    Why are you mad at us? Well maybe cause people paid hard earned money in a bad economy to see you rip the guitar on zero so we can escape our pathetic lives for one night, but we are are left with kazoo playing…fuck that! Play the hits, embrace it you self-rightgeous asshole!

  10. Steve  |   Posted on Nov 20th, 2008 0

    Billy is so misunderstood.

  11. Seriously, fuck billy corgan.

  12. Ao  |   Posted on Nov 20th, 2008 0

    I can’t believe Kirsten Dunst shaved her head.

  13. michaelmahi  |   Posted on Nov 20th, 2008 0

    i feel flattered

  14. St. Nico  |   Posted on Nov 20th, 2008 0

    While it’s depressing as shit to see the Pumpkins turning into this, they asked for it, why the hell are they doing 20th anniversary shows when they weren’t together for a full 20 years. People don’t want to pay money to see you play obscure songs and jams from 20 year old demo tapes, don’t tour if you don’t have any new material/album out, simple as that.

  15. Jimmy James  |   Posted on Nov 20th, 2008 0

    Somebody buy that man a puppy already. And some damn pants.

  16. Jason  |   Posted on Nov 20th, 2008 0

    The crowd reminds him of an ex-girlfriend who took his money and didn’t really love him? That’s strange. Isn’t he the one getting paid to do the show? Did he give the fans money at the door? Did he pay the fans money to listen to his albums? Seriously, did he actually say, they took his money and didn’t love him. I advise everyone who likes the Smashing Pumpkins or Zwan to illegally download his shit now just for saying that kind of crazy bullshit. In fact, even if you don’t like them, just download them illegally on general principle. Honestly, to hear someone who has made a lot of money off his fans say that infuriates me. No wonder Iha and D’Arcy split and won’t speak to him. Douche Bag!^N

  17. Jon Graef  |   Posted on Nov 20th, 2008 0

    That was like watching Robert De Niro’s stand-up routine at the beginning of “Raging Bull”. Yikes.

  18. Amen Jason! Billy Corgan has lost it big time.

  19. rufus  |   Posted on Nov 20th, 2008 0

    Isn’t this, I dunno, something Billy Corgan would do? I mean seriously folks, why is everyone so surprised? I’m not a fan of the band or Billy but I do think he’s extremely talented and sometimes people like that walk differently than others.

    That or he’s off his tits. Either explaination works for me really.

  20. elo  |   Posted on Nov 20th, 2008 0

    when is that fucker gonna kill himself already? I’m sure he’s written the sappy & profound farewell letter already.

  21. Wow, I actually feel sorry for people who are paying to see this – I couldn’t even watch it for free. Part of me thinks it’s sad that he has come to this, and part of me thinks he’s the world’s biggest asshole for thinking people want to hear anything other than the hits (much less hear him complain). Unfortunately, it’s probably the latter

  22. Anonymous  |   Posted on Nov 20th, 2008 0

    Britney said when you have a problem you don’t have to get therapy, you just DANCE!!!!

  23. hmmmm  |   Posted on Nov 21st, 2008 0

    I’m really not sure what he was going for with the masturbation thing. The Sarah Palin thing was funny, but I’m pretty sure Blink 182 used the crowd-as-masturbation-aid joke quite a long time ago, maybe before 2000 even? He’s just antagonizing everyone here. It doesn’t look like a fun show, at all.

  24. jjazznola  |   Posted on Nov 21st, 2008 0

    My question is what on earth were people thinking when they bought tickets for this? It’s not even The Pumpkins and where does he get this 20th Anniversery nonsense? This idiot ran out of gas years ago. Ever listen to Zwan or his solo album? No wonder D’arcy and James ran as fast as they could. Oh yeah, nice outfit Billy!

  25. this is so staged.

  26. MUST SEE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CNPzvwj_hc

    Actual quotes from Mr. Corgan:

    “At this point our faith in our audience has never been lower.”

    “We’re really not listening to anybody anymore. It’s not like we look around and we see a tremendous amount of good music and we feel left out of something.”

    Smashing Pumpkins are a .300 hitter in a “.200 hitting world.”

    One day the world will realize “we’ve just done more better than other people.”

    “We cannot ride with the culture at this time. This is absolutely the shittiest culture I’ve ever lived in.”

  27. Having just attended the 2nd night of the Boston show .. I must say.. the show was fucking horrendous. Unless I was a Pumpkins radical-fundamentalist, there is no way to categorize any part of the show as good. I left the theater 3 times to walk in excess of 4 blocks to keep going to a liquor store. Thank god I didn’t pay for my ticket.

    Fuck that tour.

    Garbage.

  28. 123  |   Posted on Nov 21st, 2008 0

    Crash and burn, like both the Bush administration and the Smashing Pumpkins. Corgan for 2012.

  29. Tanru  |   Posted on Nov 21st, 2008 0

    I think this may have all started at the side-show he played in Brisbane, Australia earlier in the year. He stopped the show halfway through cause someone yelled out something. It was awkward and WEIRD and put the WEIRDEST vibe on the rest of the show – like you didn’t know what was gonna happen next. See here:

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=DDSJYnUnDv4

  30. Christopher S.  |   Posted on Nov 21st, 2008 0

    Is it surreal to anyone else to be reading so much about the Smashing Pumpkins, Third Eye Blind, and Guns N’ Roses these days?

  31. Because exclusively releasing different versions of Zeitgeist to different major retailers like Wal-Mart, Best Buy and iTunes is reeeeal alternative, Billy. You’re almost as much of a rebel as AC/DC now!

    • Lonnie Pigford  |   Posted on Nov 22nd, 2008 0

      Because hamoniker obviously doesn’t know how a major label works. The artist doesn’t necessarily have control over every facet of how their record is going to be distributed. That easily could have been a ploy created solely by the record company to sell more records without BC’s involvement. So before you go putting the blame on people you might want to consider the source.

  32. Mark Mason  |   Posted on Nov 23rd, 2008 0

    This is performance art, and if you don’t you understand that fact I could see why you would think this is a cerebral indulgent jaded musician ranting, but for a band like the Smashing Pumpkins this is a part of who they are. Sometimes it works horribly for music sales, and sometimes it doesn’t. They’re just trying to make an artistic statement. They don’t care about fitting into your corporate models, and there is something refreshing about that. If you want somebody who plays the rules why don’t you watch American Idol?

    • Bill  |   Posted on Mar 18th, 2009 0

      Performance art my ass. He ran out of creativity so he gets up on stage to whine, bitch and play the kazoo. How about I go take a dump on his face? I’ll call it performance art.

  33. Michael Gordon  |   Posted on Nov 26th, 2008 0

    That was brilliant — as rock ‘n’ roll as I’ve seen in a long time.

    Someone on stage actually performing and provoking. None of that get up, clap your hands, make some noise pandering to which so many bands resort because they haven’t really got the goods.

    I think the Pumpkins, Bob Dylan and others still come to play because they love it — and if you want to come and watch, you can.

    But you’re not the show. You’re the audience. Corgan spoke about this. Dylan doesn’t even bother anymore. They are simply great bands, no matter what the set list. I’m just glad that, amid all the crap, we still have the real thing out there.

  34. KT  |   Posted on Nov 26th, 2008 0

    I have no Idea what Billy Corgan is thinking. He has always been a belittling Krass asshole. But now that the music sucks and he’s an asshole. I’m done.

  35. sd  |   Posted on Nov 27th, 2008 0

    he was always a narcissistic & a shitty band leader who drove the only talent in the band away forever. an embarrasment to chicago & music. just go away forever…..please!!

  36. sd  |   Posted on Nov 27th, 2008 0

    just a turd in the punch bowl. that’s BC in a nut shell. maybe a narcissistic turd.

  37. Adrienne  |   Posted on Nov 27th, 2008 0

    I’d rather listen to Tony Clifton.

  38. Maria from Jersey  |   Posted on Nov 30th, 2008 0

    wholly moses, what a dumb, dress-wearing fuck.

  39. matt  |   Posted on Dec 2nd, 2008 +1

    I’m glad you dumb fucks hate Billy Corgan. Its ’bout time you jumped back off the bandwagon you paid to ride for songs like 1979. Wow, what a pretty, feel good song. I think it belongs on my IPOD. But now, its 14 years later and you don’t know why its not the same. Are you the fucking same as you were 14 years ago? Bet not, ‘cuz now you have forgotten what this was all ORIGINALLY about. Not surprised you missed the message, and I bet you don’t know what Mellon Collie actually means. Come on, lets hear it…What is Billy trying to say in songs like Fuck you, An Ode to No One..?.you dont know who NO ONE is because what you never knew could never get to you….so fake it…….
    Its HIS band, his music, his decision to do what he wants. If you don’t like it, don’t listen or go to the shows. Its like that George Carlin joke….”Did you ever notice that most of the women that are against abortion are women you wouldn’t fuck in the first place?” Yep. thats you, the poser that never belonged at the show in the first place……..

  40. Paul Moakley  |   Posted on Dec 3rd, 2008 0

    the thing here is that this tour is showcasing important places in the pumpkins past that have brought them to where they are now. Spending the time to put the thought of unique setlists and add in some new material is to show to the fans songs that meant more than the singles to the band. I’d have gone to the Boston show had I not been on the road, but I remember eight years ago seeing them and they didn’t sell out the one performance they had done in Lowell. This new batch of so-called fans don’t and may never understand that true art in music doesn’t need to make sense but rather we go to shows to support the band. Maybe Billy is just not liking the nastines about them playing how WE think they should play. Sounds to me people are not open to seeing the future but only looking at their career in the past. Thrice although not as popular and not having the same fan base changed their sound not worrying what people thought, they’ve made some good albums while changing their sound yet there’s always some dude yelling out deadbolt and someone who leaves nasty quotes saying they “sold out”. My take is that there are a very few musicians left instead of just dudes in bands.

  41. BTBAM  |   Posted on Jan 19th, 2009 0

    Some of the opinions on here are utter nonsense. I remember why the Pumpkins meant something to me, and I put on Mellon Collie this morning on my drive to uni, and it was amazing. I was listening to the lyrics and thinking ‘wow’, and lamenting the new lyrics of ‘yeah…oh yeah….yeah’ and ‘la la la la la la’.

    Yeah, they may be changing, but I and many others don’t want to know anymore.

    There’s being artistic, there’s being awkward, and there’s being deliberately obstinate. The Billy of years gone by would never say stuff in that sort of tone, and it was embarassing to watch this stupid man in a skirt be such a low-grade idiot.

    Zeitgeist was shit, and Billy needs to get over that fact and realise that their best stuff was songs he may be sick of, but are the ONLY reason people still see the Smashing Pumpkins in 2009. They’ve been left behind by so many superior bands and to compete they need to be doing better stuff than this immature toss.

  42. BTBAM  |   Posted on Jan 19th, 2009 0

    Some of the opinions on here are utter nonsense. I remember why the Pumpkins meant something to me, and I put on Mellon Collie this morning on my drive to uni, and it was amazing. I was listening to the lyrics and thinking ‘wow’, and lamenting the new lyrics of ‘yeah…oh yeah….yeah’ and ‘la la la la la la’.

    Yeah, they may be changing, but I and many others don’t want to know anymore.

    There’s being artistic, there’s being awkward, and there’s being deliberately obstinate. The Billy of years gone by would never say stuff in that sort of tone, and it was embarassing to watch this stupid man in a skirt be such a low-grade idiot.

    Zeitgeist was shit, and Billy needs to get over that fact and realise that their best stuff was songs he may be sick of, but are the ONLY reason people still see the Smashing Pumpkins in 2009. They’ve been left behind by so many superior bands and to compete they need to be doing better stuff than this immature toss.

  43. BTBAM  |   Posted on Jan 19th, 2009 0

    P.S.

    I want to see songs like Thru the Eyes of Ruby, Glass and the Ghost Children, Porcelina of the Vast Oceans, Tonite Reprise, God… any songs that meant a lot to me, as well as the popular songs which are equally as good.

    From Zeitgeist – Tarantula, and stick on Of a Broken Heart and I’ll be a happy bunny. It won’t happen though.

  44. Aron  |   Posted on Apr 19th, 2009 +1

    I gaurantee 90% of the people posting here, no nothing about billy or the band’s mission nor even know 10% of the smashing pumpkins music catalog.

  45. steve  |   Posted on Apr 22nd, 2009 0

    You know, Billy and the band, (but mostly Billy) have taken alot of undeserved crap from the fans and the press for many years.
    Ever since Adore alot of fans turned their backs on him because he wouldn’t keep writing ‘Today’ over and over for them. As I’ve seen other ‘true’ artists go, they really hate to repeat themselves. They are interested in the new, not the retread.
    If youre a sensitive person, like you must by now know Billy is, you start to take it personally. I think it hurts him emotionally that the fans want to put him and his music in a box.
    Personally I am sick of alot of Pumpkins fans who just can’t seem to grow up with the band.
    This man some of you claim you once adored is a troubled soul. He was literally tortured by his father as a child, beaten mercilessly and repeatedly, and he suffers horribly for it even today. Read his diaries online. It is actually a miracle he didn’t take his own life long ago to stop the pain of his f—-ed up childhood.
    If he’s a bit messy at times or demanding of his ‘fans’ that’s his right; he’s earned it.

    As for you fairweather fans who’ve come here to bitch and gloat, do piss off.

  46. What an ass wipe. This “troubled soul” and not “growing with the band” bullshit? Bullshit. Billy Corgan needs to grow up with the rest of the world and keep that shit to his therapist instead of taking huge sums of money from working class folks and then bitching to them about how they don’t appreciate him.

    “You don’t trust us. Do you trust us?” “Yes, we trust you.” “See, you don’t trust us.”

    Grow. Up. If “rock n roll” means immature jackass who charges exorbitant money so that he can bitch and moan and whine at you, then, yes, he is very “rock n roll.”

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