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Billy Corgan testifies on Capitol Hill to the House Judiciary Committee hearing on the reintroduced Performance Rights Act.

Mr. Corgan was busy in Washington today, first appearing before the House Committee on the Judiciary in a hearing on the Performance Rights Act, then delivering a letter in support of the controversial Ticketmaster/Live Nation merger. You can read Billy’s words to the committee here, but essentially Corgan told congressional leaders that radio should pay performers, not just songwriters, for tracks played. Seems fair, though Hitsville’s Bill Wyman has a point that the RIAA appears to be “using its waning days of influence to grandfather in some payments that will artificially keep the labels alive after technological changes have passed them by entirely.” In any case, if you’re surprised by Corgan’s testimony on this matter, brace yourself for his letter to Congress supporting the Ticketmaster/Live Nation merger, which many believe would constitute a monopoly in the ticket sales market.

Here’s the text, provided by Ticketmaster to Chicago Sun-Times’ Jim DeRogatis.

Dear Chairmen Kohl & Leahy and Ranking Members Hatch & Specter:

The merger as proposed before you on the surface may seem to be too much power in the hands of the few, and I can understand the need for Congress to review this matter. Here I would hope that my 20 years in the recording and touring business will allow me some candid authority on these issues, and would help shed some light for you on some of the nuances that perhaps could easily get missed.

The ’system’ that was once the modern record business, essentially ushered in with the meteoric rise of the Beatles, is now helplessly broken. And by almost every account available cannot be repaired. Personally I would add to that a healthy ’good riddance,’ as the old system far too often took advantage of the artists as pawns while the power brokers colluded behind the scenes to control the existing markets. This control often saw the sacrificing of great careers to maintain that control. Look no further than the major record labels’ intense fight to slow down the progress of Internet technologies that more readily brought music and video to the consumer because they couldn’t completely control it. This disastrous decision on their part has destroyed the economic base of the recording industry. It is now a shadow of its former self.

Artists now find a heavy shift of emphasis to the live performance side, and this is where this merger finds its merit. The combination of these companies creates powerful tools for an independent artist to reach their fans in new and unprecedented ways, all the while restoring the power where it belongs. In today’s ever changing world, the ability for artists to connect to their fans and stay connected is critical for the health of our industry. Without sustainable, consistent economic models upon which to make key decisions, it is both the music and the fans that suffer.

In short, we have a broken system. This is a new model that puts power into the hands of the artist, creating a dynamic synergy that will inspire great works and attract healthy competition. The proposed merger you have before you helps create those opportunities by boldly addressing the complexity of the existing musical and economic landscapes.

Billy Corgan

The Smashing Pumpkins


P.S. Ticketmaster CEO Irving Azoff is the Smashing Pumpkins’ manager.

UPDATE: Video of Billy’s testimony:

Comments (154)
  1. It’s official. Billy Corgan is evil and quite possibly the anti-christ.

    Death to Ticketmaster!!!!!

    • I only reserve this kind of outburst for special occasions, but i must second your thoughts. Fuck you Billy Corgan, you are a horrible person.

  2. monopolies always fix a “broken system”! everyone and anyone who has taken a basic econ class knows this.

    good going, billy’s brain!

    • Jason  |   Posted on Mar 10th, 2009 0

      What exactly will the merged entity be ‘monopolizing’? Monopolies have 100% of a market, like the Post Office does with first-class mail. Live Nation won’t monopolize ticket sales or concert venues, and it isn’t remotely possible for them ever to do so. All the merged entity will be is ‘large’, and it won’t be anywhere near as large as the U.S. Government that you want to have bossing it around (not to mention lots of other businesses).

      Oh yeah, and bring on the negative votes. “OMG that guy totally said large corporations shouldn’t be outlawed by our incredibly powerful government, what is wrong with him?! It’s Obama now, everything’s cool!”

      • Grand  |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

        I don’t think people are so angry over the “monopoly” aspect (you’re right, it isn’t near one yet), as much as they are angry at ticketmaster (who are bastards in the first place) gaining more power.

      • FUCKING CANADIAN  |   Posted on Dec 5th, 2009 0

        Same with Trent Reznor, he turned into such an Obama loving douche. He was talking about don’t trust the government when Bush was in power. He was right and I was a huge fan. Then Obama in and he throws his hands in the air and says trust Obama. Point after point Obama has proved to be as much of a liar as Bush. They work for the same globalists and both parties are owned by the same special interests. Just ask the 30, 000 troops Obama is sending to help guard opium fields. Just ask Secretary of Treasury Henry Paulson or Secretary of Defence Robert Gates, two people who served Bush’s policies and now work on Obama’s team. What kind of sick joke is this? Billy Corgan has always been a douche. He just needs a new corvette and can’t find the funds due to his lame ass music releases lately. He’s just another has-been Marilyn Manson. Not surprised though, Corgan hails from Illinois, the most overtaxed and corrupt state in the U.S.A.

    • Chris N  |   Posted on Mar 10th, 2009 0

      Logical reasoning aside, I think it’s safe to say that anything Billy Corgan endorses should make everybody nervous.

      • Jason  |   Posted on Mar 10th, 2009 0

        And it’s still being too logical to point out that logic has never been a big part of the Corgan-hate, which is all a bunch of 29 year olds trying to prove they are grown now. “I once loved his music, but I hate that he…is…abigjerk! Now I only listen to music by guys who could…never hold their own in front of a Congressional committee.”

        • FlimFlam  |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

          You make it sound like we all hate Ian Makaye or something. Its billy Corgan for fucks sake. I still dig Smashing Pumpkins I guess, but I’m not sure I remember Billy ever being anything other than a tool who suffers from bouts of being contrarian.

          I think its pretty obvious that there are two sides to this. I don’t think we need some fucktwat rock star to inform the government. Guess what? Hes just some asshole. I’m not going to get business advice from a janitor, but I’ll listen to the guy who signs his checks.

          • Jason  |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

            Congress likes to hear from all sides, so some artist was going to be there. You think artists want to be represented by Miley Cyrus or Robert Schneider, or by someone who’s got his stuff together and isn’t intimidated? Corgan did the deed, won praise from the Congressmen and still had the balls to describe Beltway politics as “show business” on his way back to the Midwest.

            It says a lot about what’s stunk in indie music over the last decade that a guy with attitude and confidence and standing and self-assurance — and who combined those rock-star attributes with intelligence and sensitivity — has been transformed by the indieblogfolk into some kind of child-killing monster. (Is Corgan flawed? So are you, buddy.) It seems indiefolk these days would rather direct their hatred at Corgan’s imperfections than at the middlebrow crap being crammed down the maw of today’s tweens and teens. Corgan and those like him once fought to improve the culture at large, and his fans viewed what was going on as a revolt against bad mainstream music, but today’s indiefolk seem content to cluck their tongues from the sidelines and the indie artists are following suit. Maybe it’s because today’s indie artists have seen the intense disparagement directed at Corgan, Vedder, etc. in recent years and have decided that reaching out to the mainstream isn’t worth it. Kevin Barnes was at least one guy still trying to be a star in the Corgan vein, and the indiefolk basically threw him off the bus over one too-weird album and one Outback commercial. If your niece back home in Missouri is listening to Animal Collective, then maybe this is all crazy and things are okay…but is she? Siamese Dream sold four million copies. Has MPP cracked 50,000?

          • ¬  |   Posted on Mar 12th, 2009 0


          • FlimFlam  |   Posted on Mar 13th, 2009 0

            Why should I care what 14 year olds listen to? Miley Cyrus isn’t a new phenomena. Bubble Gum pop doesnt have anything to do with this.

            Again, I don’t hate Billy Corgan’s music. I just refuse to accept the premise that we’ve JUST NOW decided the guy was a douche. Vedder is a pretty classy guy and I like his music less. I find it curious that you like to lump all these “indie-folk” together and at the same time assume every tween in the midwest needs to be saved from pop by Billy fucking Corgan.

            I’m not even sure how to respond because I’m not even sure what your point is. I can understand congress wanting a musician’s opinion, but this guy is under the thumb of the parties in question. I think its pretty funny that he feels so comfortable painting himself as an industry expert because in reality hes more of a pawn than many people they could get in touch.

            Again, I knew Billy Corgan was a dork over a decade ago when I was still exited by his music. Hes just vouching for his bosses. Who cares what he has to say when it comes to policy making?

          • Taol  |   Posted on Mar 17th, 2009 0

            Billy Corgan makes Dee Snyder look like W.E.B. DuBois.

          • John Haas  |   Posted on Mar 30th, 2009 0

            dude, don’t hate on Missouri, I’ve seen both AC and Of Montreal live…and if I have a niece anytime soon, I’m make sure she is too…otherwise good arguement though…cheers!

  3. … He’s just horrible.

  4. laffo  |   Posted on Mar 10th, 2009 0

    lol @ p.s.

  5. bigaplaid1  |   Posted on Mar 10th, 2009 0

    Ticketbastard needs to die!

  6. Kibbe  |   Posted on Mar 10th, 2009 0

    I know you’re use to hearing this but… Boooooo billy, Booooooo

  7. Dear Chairmen Kohl & Leahy and Ranking Members Hatch & Specter:

    Despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage.
    Thank you, gentlemen.

    Billy Corgan

  8. Billy,
    Jail. Directly. No go, no $200.

  9. Sunil   |   Posted on Mar 10th, 2009 0

    “Without sustainable, consistent economic models upon which to make key decisions, it is both the music and the fans that suffer.”

    Never knew Monsieur Corgan was an economist….

  10. faas  |   Posted on Mar 10th, 2009 0

    this guy just can’t do ANYTHING right. or just doesn’t want to. phony.

  11. Welp, that’s one way to tell your entire fan base to fuck off.

  12. Ryan  |   Posted on Mar 10th, 2009 0

    So basically, this court appearance was a favor for their manager. It is funny to see Billy Corgan in a suit, though.

  13. charlatan  |   Posted on Mar 10th, 2009 0

    As I was reading this the new visa ad with Today came on TV. Corgan’s new fuck you all policy seems to be nearing completion. I wonder whats next.

  14. TRUTH  |   Posted on Mar 10th, 2009 0

    billy corgan (who is no longer worthy of caps) asshole!!!!
    the smashing pumpkins suck and have always sucked.
    I hate that whiny piece of shit.
    for the last 3 years all he’s done is fuck over his own fans.
    is worthless douchbag should die alone.
    billy corgan is proof that there is no god.
    if there were an omnipotent and benevolent being it wouldn’t let this worthless fuck come into existence.
    fuck you billy corgan… fuck you billy corgan, fuck you billy corgan.
    I wish horrible things for billy corgan and everyone he loves.
    billy corgan is responsible for the holocaust, 911 ,HIV, and the Veckatimest leak. FUCK YOU bill.

  15. Billy, go fuck yourself you corpo fascist cunt.

    brendan b brown

    PS…Walt Mink was ALWAYS better than the smashing dick warts

    • disgruntled hipster no. 416  |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

      Do you still want to listen to Iron Maiden, baby?

    • Lonnie Pigford   |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

      wait…you’re the one responsible for that ‘teenage dirtbag’ atrocity from some years back? yeah, you’re not exactly the authority on quality work yourself. let’s be honest here, billy corgan was always better than you.

      • Do you know about Walt Mink or any of the early history of the 2 bands in the midwest? Anonymous posts never bring out the real you.

        • Walt Mink? Oh you mean that band formed in MN and includes the son of that guy from Murphy Brown and one of a handful of bands to release an album that got a 10.0 from P4k. They are WAAAAAAAAYYY better than wheatus.

          SP>Walt Mink>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wheatus(HAHA)

    • wheatus was an embarrassment to humanity.

      i felt sick typing “wheatus.”

    • Jif Anderson  |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

      What’s a wheatus?

  16. one more time…for emphasis.

  17. corgan’s a fucking nutcase, but seriously, how is any musician supposed to make any money these days with you fucking dweebs downloading illegally

    • corgan’s a fucking nutcase, but seriously, how is any baby boom middle man parasite supposed to make any money these days with you fucking dweebs downloading illegally

      Been in the industry long have you?

      brendan b brown

    • 1. some of us still buy the vinyl/cd.

      2. some of us see them live. sometimes repeatedly.

      3. merch.

    • Touring maybe? (but I don’t condone theft!)

    • Well, I go to as many shows as I can and (like the other commenter) sometimes buy music.

      But the thing about it is, if I only stuck to buying music, I literally wouldn’t even listen to half of what I do, because otherwise I would be spending half of every paycheck on music and, thus, not have enough to pay all my bills. So there’s only so much money to be made from music sales; people need to realize that illegal downloading is here to stay.

      Once people have access to such a vast amount of music that they wouldn’t otherwise, for both logistical and financial reasons, they’re not going to refrain from obtaining it.

      Obviously it’s hard for me to say this with any credibility (since I’m not in anywhere near that position), but I honestly believe people who really love making music will do so without the expectation of being able to make a living off of record sales. Since taste is so subjective, it”s hard to say that any type of art should necessarily be profitable for it’s creators, and I don’t think there should be an expectation that it will be. Get a day job and continue making music for the love of it.

  18. omg  |   Posted on Mar 10th, 2009 0

    ZOMG learn how to comment please thanks.

  19. Come on now guys. It’s an economic recession and Corgan is just trying to make as much money as he can before he dies from his terminal illness. I give him props for working the HELL out of the system and making a butt load of money off people who have never owned a pair of Chucks. The guy’s releasing a new album through commercials! I wish I thought of that!

  20. I read the Performance Rights Act brief on another site (I was cheating on Stereogum) and thought he had vindicated himself slightly from all the whining at his concerts about how his fans don’t love him blah blah blah. Then I see that he’s in favor of this merger and I remember that he is, as d33r pointed out, the anti-christ. How can making your fans pay as much as 50% more for tickets (just for service charges) help you “reach your fans”? He’s obviously delusional
    P.S. That was the best P.S. ever

  21. Black Jesus  |   Posted on Mar 10th, 2009 0

    Dude, really? Really Billy?

    Btw, you’re looking more and more like Uncle Fester everyday.

  22. Evan  |   Posted on Mar 10th, 2009 0

    Of course he endorses the merger. Is anyone really surprised? Billy Corgan is a slimy cunt.

  23. Ummm……who else has a sinking suspicion that Billy Corgan and Smashing Pumpkins are one of the bands that participate and share in Ticketmaster’s charges (what Bruce Springsteen denied doing during the last Ticketmaster fiasco)?

  24. Not offended at all, just a bit worried that the the RIAA propaganda machine has convinced anyone to hold illegal downloaders responsible for the epic fail of the music industry. 4 trillion piratebays powered by 60 zillion googles couldn’t pluck a hair on the ass of this problem. The failure of music has always been and continues to be the enforcement of outdated scorched earth business “plans” by fossil baby boom executives with gold pinkie rings and acrylic in their hair, who just found It’s not gonna get any better until they are all gone….along with anyone else in the industry who contributes nothing to it’s economy….so 95%, the lamprey must go. And they will go hard.

    Labels must die that music may live…kill a label = save music.

    brendan b brown

    • That was meant to b a response to Grover….apologies for comment reply fail

    • shitincut  |   Posted on Mar 10th, 2009 0

      I would hate labels too If my band had absolutely no chance of every getting signed.
      Emo blows dude.

      • Ignoring for a minute the fact that we were signed to Columbia Records from 2000-2004, that we are still signed to EMI for some of our publishing, and that we now have our own record label and wouldn’t sign a deal with any of these teetering monolith bastards if our lives depended on it, I would like to ask you…do YOU want to be signed?

        Also the Emo you hate, is it the early 90′s Emo, Quicksand, Sunny Day Real Estate kind…or the 80′s type that Ian MacKaye railed against, or perhaps you are referring to Hawthorne Heights? I need some clarification please.

        brendan b brown

    • gosh, sorry man. those american pie royalties must add up!

      • No wheatus music has EVER appeared in any American Pie movie…c’mon man…I like you… stop failing in public.

        brendan b brown

        • Black Jesus  |   Posted on Mar 10th, 2009 0

          Is the guy that sang Teenage Dirtbag really responding?

          I would love to lie and tell you that I dont turn up the volume when I hear that song, but I won’t.

        • you’re right, i’m being embarrassed by the dude who fronts the band wheatus

          • I got nothin but love for you grover…but to the point…This is all extremely disappointing. I keep asking myself why Corgan would feel the need to do this? What is it that gives people the unquenchable thirst to be the only kid in the sandbox….could he really be that anti-social?

          • more importantly, does any of this stand between you and getting a song in the next jason biggs movie?

          • This merger stands between all of us and happiness.

  25. MF McNutt  |   Posted on Mar 10th, 2009 0

    This is the guy that sold four different versions of their last album each with a different track on it so paying Smashing Pumpkin fans (all three of you) would have to buy four albums.

    • JMG  |   Posted on Mar 10th, 2009 -1

      Yeah, because, y’know….Pumpkins fans don’t know how to post the track they got at one particular location to a message board and steadily collect all the tracks that you’re “supposed to buy at four different locations.”

      FTR, I got the special edition album with the booklet, my bro got the version with the “making of” DVD, both of us got the “bonus” tracks from different people off of the internet.

      How many copies of Zeitgeist do I own?: ONE.

      • MF McNutt  |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

        No one is questioning the computer literacy of Smashing Pumpkin fans. Being that you stole three albums worth of exclusive tracks you don’t exactly qualify as a paying Smashing Pumpkin fan.

        You missed the point. If Billy wanted you to have those tracks for free he would have put them all on one album, not charged you four times over for virtually the same material. That’s is incredibly loathsome disgusting marketing tactic. That’s how he treats his FAN$.

  26. he’s got to be on the payroll. first visa, now this?
    get of the capitalist tit billy.

  27. In economics, a monopoly exists when a specific individual or enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it.(i.e. Ridiculous Service Charges!) Monopolies are thus characterized by a lack of economic competition for the good or service that they provide. The verb “monopolize” refers to the process by which a firm gains persistently greater market share than what is expected under perfect competition. A monopoly does not require “100%” of a market…And you know who else can usually “hold their own in front of congressional committees”? Lobbyists for giant corporation’s CEO’s. Oh wait, that’s what Billy Corgan is…

    • Jason  |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

      ‘Perfect competition’ and ‘monopoly’, ‘in economics’, are blackboard constructs in which each firm has 0% (‘epsilon’ if you need to see a positive figure) and 100%, respectively. That which you term ‘monopoly’ is simply ‘market power’. In the real world, *all* firms have *some* market power. Live Nation will be large and will have a decent bit of market power. So what? That’s true of thousands and thousands of corporations; are you going to ban mergers? The music industry’s total revenue is shrinking and thus consolidation is obviously in order, and sooner might be better than later.

      But let’s be serious for a moment – none of these people are screaming their heads off because of some intellectually informed economic reasoning. The underlying driver is dumb reactionary leftism against anything ‘large’, particularly ‘corporations’, and in favor of the government (but only when controlled by the Blue Team) ‘acting on behalf of all the people’ to throw pixie dust on bad guys. Furthermore, readers of this site are fans and music consumers, and as such they are taking every bit as self-interested a position on the issue as is anyone else.

      Also, is Stereogum *trying* to enforce groupthink with this up-and-down comment scoring system? The comments with the largest negative scores are almost always interesting or provocative, while the ones with the largest positive scores are almost always empty, obsequious and snarky.

  28. How much is he getting paid to endorse this?

  29. FG  |   Posted on Mar 10th, 2009 0

    Billy Corgan and Smashing Pumpkins are managed by Ticketmaster through their Front Line Management subsidiary, which is run by Ticketmaster CEO Irving Azoff. Therefore, Billy’s endorsement of the LIve Nation merger is meaningless. You need to listen to artists who are not managed by Ticketmaster/Front Line, such as Bruce Springsteen.

  30. seeing any musician in a suit on capitol hill makes for guaranteed anathema. it’s like peanut butter and spaghetti, as the un-great rob schneider once said.

    • Leave Rob Schneider alone. Adam Sandler wouldn’t be where he is today if it weren’t for him…………………… OK, forget Zohan and everything else he’s done this decade. C’mon, Happy Gilmore? Also, Little Nicky was brilliant. :)))))))))))}

  31. wow this thread is epic- the guy who wrote teenage dirtbag is cashing in on his 3 minutes of fame to comment about the kid who played jamie on small wonder, who was commenting on people who spend 44 dollars to see him play 1979 so they can leave early.

    epic fail on everyone, including me for commenting. i’m going to commit suicide now.

  32. rather than try to improve my gender neutral singing voice, ill go on stereogum and post negative responses about a guy whose worst song makes my biggest hit sound like ‘Mini Pop Kids’

    billy b. doucher.

  33. OLVE  |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

    But she doesn’t know who I am, and she doesn’t give a damn about me…………..

    Ha, I feel like I’m in high school again.

  34. Few things:
    1. If I have to read “brendan b benson” one more time, I may go Oedipus and stab my eyes
    2. The word “dweeb” should never be used under any circumstances grover
    3. I wonder how Billy feels about having such a gapping vagina…

  35. Wow, I never knew he was such an anti consumer douchebag.

  36. Seriously …

    If I only have enough enough money to buy an artisis CD ($10 – $20) … or pay ticketmaster $30-$100 for a ticket to see the same band live. What’s wrong with choosing one avenue (tickets) and downloading the tunes for free?

    I am supporting the artists I like as best as I can, and I deserve to be supported as well … Anyone who complains about illegal file sharing should not be working with Ticketmaster in my opinion, because THAT IS WHERE YOUR CD MONEY IS GOING.

    Musicians often feel like they are exempt from having a business mindset and blame their money woes on the fans that do their best to support them.

    Fuck you (if you only respect rich fans), I will steal your shit and then cheer you on at your shows …and then punch the spoiled brat next to me that blows money on every revenue stream you have set up.

    If you haven’t realized by now that there are waaaaaaaay too many good bands available now and you are not the center of the universe then you deserve your bitterness.

  37. CN  |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

    Those of you that slam Ticketmaster over and over in these threads should at least take a look at their financials some time. No one loves paying a $7 fee on a $17 ticket, but Ticketmaster is not rolling in money. And frankly, when high demand artists try using other services, in my experience, the other sites crash and it becomes even harder to buy tickets. Ticketmaster provides a service that actually works, and to be honest, does not make a whole lot of money out of it. I know that is hard for people to see when they are paying a 35% markup on their tickets to see Animal Collective. But before you bitch and moan about the cost, you should at least look at the price it takes to provide you that service.

    No, I am not affiliated with TM or Live Nation in any way, shape, or form.

    • Realize though, that for the most part, most of the secondary ticket sales market gets their tickets from Ticketmaster.

      I worked for a ticket broker for awhile and I’d say a good deal of the tickets we sold we simply bought off of

  38. marco   |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

    Despite all my rage, i just wanna get fuckin paid…..

  39. i just cant stop staring at his creepy KTS hand in the picture of him straightening his tie.

  40. Adam  |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

    Interesting letter, and I don’t doubt that Corgan has a lot of knowledge on the music industry that I don’t have. Unfortunately, he shows none of that knowledge here. I’m just a regular dude, and I already knew everything he said in that letter. Most bothersome, Billy tells us that the merger would put power back in the hands of the artists, but doesn’t bother to explain AT ALL HOW the merger would bring about that result — and that’s the most important information! Love him or hate him, we can all probably agree Corgan is a smart guy. But c’mon, Billy! You disappoint me here.

    • Yeah, that letter was full of rhetoric… i didn’t say HOW this would help, or WHAT was going to be the new boon to this “dead” industry. Just that i won;t be able to afford a live show ever again…
      And I hate people saying the industry is DEAD. ITS NOT! So stop whining. its changed, sure, but there are MORE bands now making MORE money than there EVER have been in the history of the industry. There are more bands in existence than even in history. How many 80′s bands had to have dayjobs? How many bands like XTC and the Ramones made NO MONEY during the supposed “golden age”. Do we see “A+ wealth” giants like the Beatles, the Stones, or Michael Jackson often? Maybe not, but those acts have always been rare. And we have so many more “A- wealth” acts out there; Metallica, U2, 50 Cent, Hannah Montana, Kanye, Coldplay… These crap acts are RICH in this “dead” industry… Hell I know local friends who don;t have to work and just do music for a living cause they have a few songs on MTVs Real World and such and make”tons” of cash off of it. Andy Partridge of XTC fame has made more selling his demos via CD on his own private label than he did off of XTC sales back in the 80′s; that should tell you something about the industry when it was “alive and well”. So CD sales aren’t everything, and they aren’t really that bad anyway, they are more dispersed if anything. And now you can make money in more ways than ever! (If your song was on a movie soundtrack in the 70′s or 80′s you probably didn’t paid or were paid nothing; now you get paid more than your song is probably worth). Maybe since tickets to a show will cost so much the bands should give out their “worthless” cd free at the concert? Sounds like a plan to me!

  41. chuck  |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

    What Stereogum did at the end with its P.S. is B.S. and slanderous and they know it!

    First of all, Azoff just became Ticketmaster CEO in late 2008. Second, Paul Geary, former Extreme drummer and well respected manager was the Pumpkins manager in 2007, and then teamed up with SP manager Jared Paul in 2008, along with Azoff to create a new management company called AGP, according to

    See the article here:

    So the insinuation Stereogum made at the end of a very well reasoned support for the merger – that Corgan is biased towards Ticketmaster even though Azoff just joined the organization and is well respected in the industry and isn’t really “the” SP manager anyway – is a smear job and they should be called on it.

    Third, a lot of people are forgetting the LIVE NATION part of the merger, and that U2 signed a 12-year deal with them. You also forget that the biggest reason the Smashing Pumpkins became as successful as they were is because Billy Corgan made crucially smart business decisions going back to the early 1990s – starting with Virgin subsidiary Caroline for GISH and then record on VIRGIN for the next set of albums. He may be a jerk, but he’s not an idiot when it comes to the music business.

    The point is, U2 and Corgan know what they are getting into. I’m sure they blinked when the merger was announced, but if they are for the deal (and we know for sure Corgan is), I trust that they, given their successful experience as great live bands have the consumer’s and independent artists’ best interests in mind, not the corporate side’s. Otherwise, you’d see big stars like Madonna, U2 and others speaking out against the merger by now.

    I don’t like Ticketbastard any more than the next person (or Pearl Jam), but let’s hope that the megastars’ instincts are right and that Live Nation ends up being the brains behind the operation. If not, and ticket sales continue to be a nightmare of a lot of us, I will happily eat these words. But this is the age of hope, don’t know know? Let’s at least give this merger a shot.

    • Smashing Pumpkins, a great live band? I bought the studio albums up until the first breakup, but could never tolerate a live performance. Corgan’s voice always fell behind the guitars and made the songs sound like instrumentals.

      I’m sorry, but Ticketmaster really doesn’t know how to manage money then if they’re not making a huge profit off all their charges (charging $2.50 just to do nothing other than have you print of the screen – it’s a computer program, not an individual drawing the frickin’ ticket).

      It’s a shame to see Billy miss the mark so many times lately.

      • chuck  |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

        You must have seen them on a bad night then – and there were valid complaints about one of the Pumpkins’ late 2008 shows, sound-wise and setlist-wise in November when I and some friends saw them in Boston where I reside, even though they performed nearly flawlessly from a musical standpoint.

        Did you see the Pumpkins live pre-breakup or in 2007? Most of those tours were legendary, even the short 1999 tour, the last to feature all 4 original SP members. Do track down bootlegs of those spring 1999 shows on the ‘net and that will guarantee to change your mind about the SP experience live. Or even go to and get some of SP’s shows in the Fall (like October) of 2007, particularly the 10-15 and 10-16 shows in Boston. They were 2 of the better sets and shows SP had done in its long career.

        And might I add, to be a real fan (and I don’t know how much you really got or didn’t get into them given your comments), you have to have more than SP albums – how about old and rare demo tapes, rare comps, live bootlegs from the MCIS, Adore and GISH eras. Only then can you appreciate how great SP was live and on record over the years.

        They’re still great now, even with all these new musicians Corgan has brought on (including a member of No Doubt on the horns). I just wished their set lists were a little better last Fall and that Corgan would handle fan criticism with more class and understanding – that no one wants to hear Ray Davies and 15-20-minute Pink Floyd covers (and especially at the end of a concert)!

  42. This just reeks of an effort to remain relevant.
    Honestly, am I suppose to feel differently?

  43. chuck  |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

    *correction: I meant to write “But this is the age of hope, don’t you know?”

  44. Chris N  |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

    I’m 24 and I never really liked Smashing Pumpkins, but I’m not making a statement on the quality of Corgan’s music anyway.

    …and…what’s with the…punctuation?

  45. Chuck is an asshole  |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

    Chuck are you really THAT ignorant? Sure the TM/LN merger is good for the MEGASTAR’s but it is not good for the consumer (higher prices), the not-so-megastar (priced out of venues), or the smaller ticket brokers (out competed). TM/LN controlling 85% of venues and tickets sales is BAD for everyone who is not in cohorts with TM/LN, like U2, Madonna, and Smashing Pumpkins (are they even relevant anymore?).

    • chuck  |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

      To the chickenBLEEP who won’t give his real name, you can stick up you know where. And if you think only “megastars” will benefit from this merger, get a frickin’ clue! You’re the ignoramus here. Bands like Death Cab For Cutie, Rise Against, Modest Mouse and others will benefit from this deal every bit as much as U2 and other big names. What are you going to do now, bail out on your favorite artists live (like Mtrax claims he will)? That’ll be your loss, not mine.

      And as far as overcharging prices as Ticketmaster does is concerned, it stinks to high heavens, it isn’t going to change anytime soon but there is one way to deal with it and it involved getting away from your computer – going to your local box office or club where TM/LN is selling tickets to your favorite band’s show and get the TM/LN tickets right then and there. That’ll will save you some dough for sure (especially on the BS convenience charges and other profit-making charges). So deal with it and move on.

      • apooe  |   Posted on Mar 17th, 2009 0

        Oh, you’re one of those people that thinks that bands like Death Cab For Cutie, Rise Against, Modest Mouse are small indie bands, not established pop radio acts. Well, OK.

  46. mtrax  |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

    this motherfucker lost his mind with his relevance, and now he’s fighting for thieves? i will never attend another ticketmaster/livenation sponsored event again- this unfortunately means not seeing some of my favorite bands. Greedy bastards have finally found away to completely ruin every aspect of music.

  47. chuck  |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

    Scott, I still don’t see a correction to your P.S. statement (see my BLABBERMOUTH link). Paul Geary is and has been the SP manager since 2007, with Jared Paul and Azoff forming a new management group with him in 2008 (AGP), which would in effect make them all co-managers of SP, Godsmack, Kenna and others as far as I can tell. You can look more into it.

    AND, like I said, Azoff has only been CEO of Ticketmaster since late 2008 so it’s not like he’s been working with Corgan for a long time. In fact, last Fall, ticket sales for Pumpkins shows (at least in Boston) DID NOT go through the Ticketbastard, it went through a small company (in comparison to TM/LN) called I will miss being able to exchange bad seats to an SP show last November with 2nd row seats like I did through Telecharge, but I don’t think this TM/LN merger is the end of the world…yet. Unlike a lot of you, I’m giving it a chance.

    I will continue when possible to go through smaller companies like Telecharge but won’t be a pussy and skip my favorite artist coming to town just because I don’t like one half of this mega-merger.

  48. It’s one thing not to do anything to stop a monopoly but to support it! that really low.
    Pearl Jam tried to stand up to ticketmaster and even then ticketmaster were too strong and pj caved in.
    ticketmaster are already a monopoly !

    • chuck  |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

      Sonic, I don’t know if you were referring to one of my comments, but I don’t support a “monopoly,” per se, I’m a realist who realizes we don’t have that much of a choice in this merger so you might as well give it a shot and hope it works out, for the artist and the fan. Go thru smaller ticketing venues when possible, but don’t abandon your favorite artist (who goes through TM/LN) just because of this gigantic merger, at least not yet and until you have experienced real problems with it.

  49. Pretty soon the artists won’t have anyone going to their concerts, then how are they going to pay for those mansions and jets?

  50. mtrax  |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

    Chuck- we do however have a choice in this merger, and that is with our dollars, and unfortunately abandoning the artists that do work with ticketmaster. It’s painful to say, because I really really love live music, I love the bands I love- and want to see them live: but these thieves are poisoning music even further, giving the consumer less choice. I’m not some anarchist that is against people making profit. music takes a lot of work, and provides entertainment: those involved should be compensated, including promoters, venues, even the ticketing service: i’m not against any of this. I’m against it being abused, i’m against the lack of choices and options and competition. i’m against the gangster tactics that ticketmaster, clear channel and house of blues to name a few have employed over the years to destroy music. it’s a shame- my whole point was- we can do something, and that something is keeping your money, not handing it over to ticketmaster.

    • chuck  |   Posted on Mar 11th, 2009 0

      Well mtrax, we all get to pick and choose our battles in life, and though I agree that clear channel, ticketbastard and the rest of them have ganged the system to their advantage over the years, I’m not going to let that ruin a chance to see a show of a lifetime. You apparently feel differently – and I know you aren’t the only one – so I commend you on your stand and hope you stick by it. It might be harder than you think.

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