Sorry everyone, my point is, it’s been about 30 years and why are there still Lana Del Ray postings on Stereogum is my question.
it’s okay, I know the answer already.
what does lol mean im new here, lol
@ Michael Hanna – But most of art IS ideas, no?
I mean, if I’m dismissing Wagner (I don’t, for the record) I can flat out not consume his music. But I can’t dismiss his harmonic progressions/tonal shifts/rhythmic choices. Particularly if they’re innovative. Those are ideas. His overall compositions I could avoid listening to if I wanted to (but at some point I’m going to consume something derivative of him anyway.)
Once I’ve acknowledged that those artistic ideas are valid, why am I stopping myself from consuming them, in whatever form they come in. What purpose does avoiding a Wagner symphony make a difference. More modern – at what point does not watching a Polanski flick make a difference. Is it strictly a matter of $$$?
@Michael Nelson – Obviously you have to be forgiving of a time when things now disgusting were then acceptable/legal. I think that’s the point I’m trying to make though – I don’t think you can dismiss ideas at any time, no matter how horrid the person who came up with them is. And if art is made up of ideas (legit art – I don’t really see Chris Brown as an artist, per se. Certainly there’s no threat of me being worried about having to accept or dismiss his innovations, because they don’t exist) then for me I think the way you can tow the moral line (as an individual) is to just recognize where you’re supporting the artist in question.
Like, re: Surfer Blood – I can consume their music for free and enjoy it and not feel like I’ve done anything that contributes to them. Or I can acknowledge that maybe I gave them Youtube page views. Or if they track their P2P downloads, I gave them a digital pat on the back. It’s up to me to decide what I’m doing, and how that affects the world, I guess? But probably if you don’t like physical violence, you should stop contributing to the growth of Chris Brown outlets for earning money?
I like this argument – it’s true, everyone has the right to make their own moral choices, but you can’t complain about the world you live in when the choices you make contribute to the propogation of a world you don’t agree with.
The Violentacrez debacle is the perfect example of this – he refused to accept that people are responsible for their actions. Internet anonymity is not a human right. You can consume and post and do whatever you want as a free human being, but you are not invincible against what happens when your actions create a situation you don’t like.
So when it comes to music or any entertainment – again, you are free to consume and contribute to whatever you like. If you don’t feel any moral responsibility for giving Chris Brown money, then go ahead, but the world you created is one where you gave Chris Brown money.
I am however curious how you feel about ideas – consumption of art and entertainment is one thing, but an idea propagated is much harder to rationalize. How do you say “well the socratic method is pretty decent, but he liked young boys, soooo pretty much all of critical thinking is off limits.”
I’ve never heard of this Lana Delray before is she any good? This song sounds pretty good. Does she have any more songs?
Yeah, Michael Nelson, you need to land your creative writing helicopter at urban outfitters, cause youre in the abbreviation sky, word fuels running low and you might as well crash where you feel welcome wordswordswords
“Google that shit and fuck off” is my next tattoo
Yes it is. All gigs are jobs. That is why this is a really unfortunate thing. I am exactly the professional-ish (if not leaning more toward professional side) variety, and I can say that the reason I am professional-ish is that I can’t afford to not have a day job. Nobody I know that plays music for a living can. It sucks, and Amanda doesn’t really understand how her choice is both a business AND a moral choice, and it fails on the latter front because she fails to establish it is connected to the former.
So while I agree that, yes, she totally has the right to do what she is doing, her defense is pretty sad. If she admitted she were exploiting her fans to some extent, I would probably support that. But if she thinks this is a good direction to lead the industry she works in, then she’s wrong and is dismissive of her own development and role in the industry.
Great point you guys both definitely have done a lot of research to prove these events were staged can’t wait to read all about the evidence you’re both on to something the truth is out there