Monuments to an Elegy IS NOT out yet – it gets released December 9. Do you have any editors there factchecking? Jeesh.
So Michael, you should correct that part of the review where you say Corgan recorded all the guitar and bass parts for the first three albums and put the correct number “two” there instead.
Just like The Cure is, was and always will be about Robert Smith and his music, the Smashing Pumpkins is and always was about Billy Corgan and his music. It’s as simple as that.
The Pumpkins recorded as a true band for one album only: Mellon Collie. (Remember when MTV visited them in the studio during the making of it when they were jamming on cuts like “Tribute to Johnny”? I sure do.) Ex.: Corgan even recalls in the (amazing) MCIS reissue some of the recording process: the eventual magic they captured on “Where Boys Fear To Tread” recording it live as a band… So it’s a common refrain to say Corgan recorded all the guitars and bass for the first two SP albums, but it isn’t accurate to say the first THREE.
Also, I can’t believe you think “Monuments” is “skippable.” I’ve been cranking up that heavy sludge rocker the last two weeks every time it comes on in my stream of the new album – I did my own review of it November 25. The only track I didn’t really like too much was “Anaise!” It starts out promising but I just didn’t get into it as it played on; “Being Beige” I liked but didn’t love at first but like yourself, now dig more as an album track rather than a single. The only other downpoints were in some of the bland/generic lyrics – from a guy currently writing a 500,000-word spiritual memoir – so that was surprising.
Lastly, I’ll never understand people’s distaste for Zeitgeist. “Antihero,” from MTAE would fit right on it next to “Bring The Light” (one of my fav Zeitgeist tracks). It’s like people gave up on the record because the rest of it didn’t sound like the first (Queen-ish Siamese Dream-sounding) single, “Tarantula.” There really are only a few clunkers on Zeitgeist and Machina I. And for that matter, Adore’s only problem was that it was too long – “Annie Dog” would’ve made a cool b-side rather than a so-so album track, and “Let Me Give The World To You” would’ve been terrific in its place on the album, IMO.
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If you’re going with the popularity thing (and I agree that will probably be the case as usual) then I don’t see how Kraftwerk gets in. Stevie Ray Vaughan will definitely get in – now that most blues legends that pioneered the form have gotten in (ex. Freddie King in 2012, Albert King in 2013, etc.).
Remember that Billy Corgan gave away the Pumpkins’ Machina II album online in 2000 – he was probably the first mainstream artist to do such a thing but Machina I didn’t sell well and the band was breaking up by then so it didn’t get a lot of attention. Next year we will remember for sure once Machina I is reissued – with Machina II along with sure to be other unreleased goodies.
1997 – getting older but not wiser with age. (That’s what I get for being in a hurry to post for no reason.)
Correction: Lou Reed’s been eligible since his 1999, 25 years after his first records came out in 1972.
Let me get this straight: Two groups people have long forgotten about get nominated – Spinners and Marvelettes – but Deep Purple gets snubbed again? And Green Day is nominated now even though they weren’t relevant on a national level until 1994? Sorry but Green Day shouldn’t get in just yet – same with those two other groups.
Also Tom, the fact that Lou Reed died probably will help him get into the Hall? It’s the ONLY reason he’s been nominated now. He’s been eligible since 1972. This is so typical of the Hall – only pay attention to certain culturally iconic artists/band’s legacy when someone dies. And even then, that theory doesn’t always work – Pantera got snubbed, even though Dimebag Darrell’s been dead 10 years now.
All that negativity commentary aside, it’s good to see Kraftwerk, NIN, The Smiths, Joan Jett, Paul Butterfield (who is in the Blues Hall of Fame), NWA and SRV on this list. Needless to say, they all should’ve been in by now. I’m not really a fan of disco but Chic deserves to finally get in the Hall too because their hits have had a lot of staying power, and they’ve also been a significant influence on rock (Queen, Johnny Marr), and early hip-hop (“Rapper’s Delight,” especially).
Snubbed again (besides) Deep Purple and Pantera: Cheap Trick, Dick Dale, Megadeth, Anthrax, The Cure, Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Slayer and Judas Priest.