It’s a tough one, but I’ve always been a fan of “Two Of Us.” “The Nigh Before” is also incredibly overlooked in their catalog.
He looks so sad
Both of those albums were released in 2012, so I don’t understand how the Grammys work any way. On top of that, the awards are worthless. This is rich people drama. The fact that Kendrick was recognized by the Grammys at all is something — and he WAS recognized, because millions of people have never been included in the ceremonies, EL-P being one of them. I’d rather have seen Run The Jewelz, or Ghostface nominated for something, but the fact that they weren’t doesn’t reflect on the quality or value behind their releases. Killer Mike’s R.A.P. Music was never nominated. Dilla and Madlib were never nominated. Mos Def, Talib, Company Flow… none of those guys were ever even acknowledged for a best album award, other than Mike winding up on a winning Big Boi collab at the start of his career.
I’m from Seattle and nobody is a bigger Macklemore “hater” than I am and have been. I’d say GKMC is definitely better than the Heist, but I think everything is better than the Heist. I just don’t understand why Kendrick should be guaranteed anything, though. I might be the only one to feel that he’s overrated (or at least be willing to state it openly), but why the uproar toward an institution like the Grammys? Yeezus just stole from B L A C K I E and Death Grips, without crediting either, and got praise from all directions for it as being “groundbreaking” and “original”; everyone tried to explain what Kanye “really meant” and the “hidden brilliance” but when they gave him a chance to speak, it turns out that he really is just pissed about not getting to be respected a fashion designer. Plus, a million other people made that album with him. Good Kid sounds like 90s Outkast beats.
To me, it feel like a bunch of people are complaining about which of the popular kids should have been elected student body president. Meanwhile, there’s some unpopular poor kid with all of the real ideas, but the battle is between the captain of the basketball team and the guy whose parents own a local chain of convenience stores
A lot of people might be too young to remember when tracks like “Around the World” were originally released, but the fact that Daft Punk just took home so many awards is kind of mind boggling.
Good Kid’s another album with Pharrell doing production work, just like on Daft Punk’s, just like for Robin Thicke. Meanwhile Daft Punk is doing production on Yeezus. The nominees are all the same people.
Out of 19 total best Rap Album Grammys, Kanye has taken 4 of them, Eminem has 5, Outkast has 2, Jay-z’s been nominated 10 times (won once), Nas and Lupe Fiasco have each been nominated 4 times. Even as someone who despises Macklemore for endless reasons, I don’t feel bad that all the same people didn’t win, and these are definitely all the same people. Look how many cooks were in on all of the other nominees releases. Granted, that might be why they were “better,” but it’s just rich industry folks that lost, not some poor underground kid that lost. People that fit that description weren’t even recognized.
If you want some perspective, in 1998 Puff Daddy & The Family won a best rap album Grammy over Missy, Wu Tang, and Notorious B.I.G.’s “Life After Death.” The first year it was a category (1996) Naughty By Nature beat out 2Pac, ODB, and Bone Thugs (also Skee-Lo was nominated?). This isn’t the most respectable organization, the biggest tragedy that’s ever happened, or even the biggest theft of a Seattle rapper over unrecognized brilliance at the ceremonies: “Baby Got Back” took best song in 1993 over nominees like Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch’s “You Gotta Believe” and MC Hammer’s “Addamm’s Groove” — other albums released in 1992, making them eligible for the award: The Chronic, Bizarre Ride 2 The Pharcyde, Pete Rock & CL Smooth’s “Mecca and the Soul Brother,” Gangstarr’s “Daily Operation,” Beastie Boys’ “Check Yo Head,” Ice Cubes “The Predator,” Eric B & Rakim’s “Don’t Sweat the Technique,” Das EFX’s “Dead Serious,” UGK’s “Hard to Swallow”…. etc. etc. etc.
Either way, both Macklemore and Kendrick and getting bigger and bigger and richer and richer. They’ll both be fine.
Fuck both of them and the Grammys.
Nothing against What A Long Strange Trip… but I’m always leery about the live stuff being the most digestible thing to use as an introduction. Some people need a “Sugar Magnolia” before they can listen to a space jam.
Although it is still a live show and is technically a Jerry recording, I’ve had experience with people responding favorably to the Oregon State Pen show, who weren’t fans prior to that.
I like them better, as well
Your comment suffers from being completely irrelevant. Jerry doesn’t have a distinct singing approach? How does hating Phish fit into anything? The Dead have a ton of great songs and this wasn’t supposed to be a list about another band that you’re more interested in reading about–Quicksilver Messenger Service–it’s supposed to be a list of Dead songs. I don’t agree with the list, but I definitely don’t agree with your pointless response to it, even more.
Another interesting thing that I recently learned was that Stephen modeled “Stop Breathin” after “Sing Song Swan” from CAN’s Ege Bamyasi.
It always blows my mind how many people comment about how worthless Pavement was, or how Stephen never wrote any good material. Granted, it’s generally in the comment section of a Billy Corgan piece, but it’s still ridiculous how uninformed people are, especially about someone, who I believe to be, one of the most consistently great songwriters of all time. I love that this post is up here for the rest of us who really love this stuff and hopefully, someone who isn’t already a fan or was never really that exposed to it, will get wise to it.
You’ll notice that he even makes a Wig Out at Jagbagns reference, so it has to be new material, but I’m assuming that you asked that question before deciding if you should read through the entire thing, or not.
I’m not sure how old you are, but the Pearl Jam and Nirvana thing were pretty clear at the time. There were still Teen Spirit deodorant ads on TV when that came out, so there was never any hidden meaning there, ever–the reference was direct. Eddie Vedder’s grandma’s name is supposed to be Pearl, but the big joke among everyone was that it sounded like they were named after semen. That rumor spread everywhere.
The Purple rain thing, I’ve never heard before though.
Who gives a shit if you hang out with David Bowie and Bruce Springsteen wants to cover your songs? Trying to validate yourself by name dropping that way, does kind of reflect a concern about how you’re perceived and if you’re “cool” or not. Maybe the point that the writer was trying to make is that, regardless of any of that, he’s a dork, or at least, you’re still the same guy that you’re still the same person that you’ve always been underneath the hype. To me, the response that they used to open for him was the most valid thing that he could have said and he probably should have left it at that. He probably could have also responded with, “It’s a music review, who gives a shit?” But he couldn’t, because HE does. Stop trying to be loved. Trying to make a plea for why you should be considered important or matter by name dropping, is not a good look.
Empire of the Sun? I can’t lie, I do really love this one video by them:
I’m not sure if I should be ashamed or proud that I don’t recognize 80% of the names on it. Either way, no thanks. Also, Lana Del Rey’s name should never be right next to Motorhead’s, for any reason, unless it’s a fight card.
Maybe because they need a female vocalist. Also, maybe his statement wasn’t directed toward you and was said in response to a question in an interview. Also, maybe you should read the original link rather than relying on Stereogum to summarize it for you out of context.
Everyone has feelings and opinions, but what we’re reading here is a concentrated blurb about another post that was a select transcript of another statement. If anyone actually clicks on the link provided at the bottom of the article and sees the actual source, the context changes quite a bit from what we’re reading on Stereogum. This post came across to me as if Black came out and publicly “addressed” the fans, as if with a statement on the Pixies site or something, but the link that they are quoting from, actually seems like it was taken from the transcript of an interview.
You might wonder what the difference is, but it’s actually fairly large; he’s responding to an individual, not addressing YOU the fan and telling YOU to fuck off. Also, the judgments on the whole Shattuck thing and how that’s being handled… it kind of fills that in a bit, as well. From the way that the actual information being referenced frames it, in the source article, Black seems to feel that it was the idea to create new music that may have turned Deal away from moving forward in the band–and let’s keep that in mind too, KIM DEAL QUIT THE BAND. The idea to kind of go through the old hits worked, but the idea of actually working together on new material, seemed too intimate and real and, maybe something that she just didn’t think that she had in her. Her solution, after all, is to keep playing an old album from her other project, instead. People can hate on Black all that they want and talk shit about the new material, but all that anyone has been bitching about, regarding the band, over the last decade, was if they’d finally record some new stuff. Love it or hate it, everyone begged for it. Now they hate the band because Deal isn’t in it, but everyone loves Deal for leaving and hates the remaining project?
As far as Shattuck was concerned, they had a tour to do and got someone to fill in that role, after KIM QUIT. The issue is that, they are trying to move forward creatively, record new material, and move forward as a band with a future, not just a nostalgia act playing their own tunes. Whether you feel that intention is misguided or otherwise, that’s what they’re attempting to do. To do that, they have to find someone that they can create new material with and integrate into the group, lest they remain a Kim Deal knockoff indefinitely. Frank/Francis/Charles’ also stated that Shattuck was never locked in to be a permanent member/replacement. “Why didn’t they tell her then?!” Maybe she was aware of that, or just assumed that she was permanent, but it all happened really quick adding her and, like he said, it’s a band. “You’re hired forever, whether or not we feel like it’s going to work out and you were just a temporary fill-in, because, you know, feelings and how people that read music blogs might interpret and internalize the whole thing, etc.” And just like how everyone begged for music and then seems to hate it, I recall everyone losing their shit over replacing Kim Deal in the first place, now everyone loves the replacement? And they hate the new replacement? Who is actually pretty great, by the way. It’s all ridiculous bullshit.
So, Black Francis owes the fans an explanation NOW for replacing Shattuck, because you guys bought tickets? Ok. Well, who bought tickets because Shattuck was playing with them? Nobody.
This article isn’t very good. It’s like trying to ride out somebody els’es joke. Plus it refers to pizza as nourishment twice, and even once is a bit of a stretch.
It’s kind of a one-dimensional gimmick and I think that it’s already burned itself out. Doesn’t sound like anything really happened, so this hyperbolic article is a bit much and I guess that’s what’s supposed to make it “funny” but… I don’t know, maybe just an actual review would have been good. Or, if it wasn’t interesting enough on it’s own, without the embellishment and clearly undeserved praise and redundant use of adjectives and references to eating cheese bread, maybe no review at all would have been better. It sounds like they just came out and did their one medley, instead of really stepping it up and doing anything new or original. It’s like watching that guy do Ganghan Style over and over again.
Nobody has more of an lady bassist obsession than Billy Corgan. Zwan seemed to breakup once Paz got too close with Pajo, from what I remember gathering. With the Pixies, the need for a female voice makes more sense. The Catholics and didn’t have a female bassist.
I conducted a large multi-page phone interview with EL-P last year for Ghettoblaster magazine, right before Cancer 4 Cure and RAP Music were released, and I didn’t even ask those questions then. If you have some genuine questions, he’s really open to have a conversation and giving some genuine answers. We even talked about domestic violence and he told me that he cried when MCA died.
I saw them tour together, with MIke opening, and ran into EL out front before the show. I mentioned to him that we did the interview and he asked, “How did it turn out?” At the time, it hadn’t been published yet, but I told him that I thought that it went well. I got the feeling that it came at a time when he was doing a lot of press and that he didn’t even remember it specifically. I also got the feeling that he had already started getting his buzz on. But, after shaking his hand and when I was about to walk away, he looked at me in the eye and said, “Hey. Thank you,” with a startling amount of sincerity.
If he didn’t even remember that specific interview, which I still don’t believe that he did, then that just tells me that there’s always an opportunity for him to really come through and open up and, he must present that availability regularly. That also means that it’s up to the interviewer to offer them an opportunity to engage or to completely make them feel like they’re wasting their time. These guys are light-hearted jokesters, but they’re also pretty honest and serious about their crafts and with their respect for the artform. To me, it always felt a little disrespectful to not even do your research before hand. Between the duo, they have 4 decades worth of history in the industry, there’s a lot you could ask. I think this is a pretty hilarious way to handle something that’s got to be getting tiring for them.
Warp tour just got even creepier. I’ve never heard of these guys before, but that whole scene looks like the perfect smorgasbord for sexual deviants that are just a little too old to be hanging out with your children. Every time that I see an image of the crowds at that festival, it’s full of Hot Topic tweens over-the-top excited to meet androgynous tattooed men with asymmetrical haircuts and take pictures of them in their tour buses. Blood on the Dancefloor is questionable enough. What’s with trying to look so “hardcore” and having a target audience that averages 14 years old. Why are some of these parents so down with sending their kids to these events unattended, at all? My guess is that the parents are pretty young and idiotic themselves. This isn’t the norm, but there’s definitely potential for shit like this to go down. You won’t catch me leaving my son in the care of adult men in eyeliner, saying “It’s okay. Go with them and get in their secluded vehicles. It’s alright. He knows how to play guitar.”
This isn’t punk rock kids. I’d much rather have my son at a Minor Threat show, or even a Germs show, than something like this. This is, obviously, potentially more dangerous. And, while I know that you can’t really blame the festivals, the other bands, or even the other members of the group, it’s still fucking creepy as all get out. It’s not that the scene is even overrun with this type of thing–I’m sure that it’s not–but I can see how (not why) this specific goon was able to capitalize off of it. I’m definitely shocked by the actions of this twisted wingnut and trust that he won’t fair too well in the prison system, but the parents are so clearly, equally fucked up in this scenario. The idea that this guy is somehow famous not only allowed him to exploit his young, impressionable fanbase, but the parents all buy into that shit, as well? There’s not much that can be done as far as something like this, something so unprecedently backwards and disturbing, but the idea that this guy should have any level of influence over anyone just because he sang some terrible songs and probably printed some shitty logo on some T-Shirts and banners, is definitely one of the problems.
Like the conversation above surrounding whether or not a less appealing image should have been used as a header, I do think it’s good to remind yourself that you should probably be more aware as a parent about how this shit can go down in less assuming places than back alley pool halls. To me, the dude looks unsavory in the header image, as it is. Most parents aren’t going to help strangers rape their kids, of course, but even the comments regarding people’s friends having innocent pictures with this guy on their facebook profiles, makes me think about what could have went down in those scenarios, if he was into older kids.
I don’t know. It’s just a terrible story. Now I know about a new level of repulsiveness and I had to find out about one more of these terrible bands on top of it. Today, everyone loses. At least he’s being locked up.
Saw the tour stop in Seattle last night. Pretty amazing.
I’d like to see Kelley fill in.
I’d also like to see Gallagher 2 as the warm up act.
Mystical Weapons – S/T
The Howling Hex – The Best of the Howling Hex
Bitchin Bajas – Krausened
Parquet Courts – Light Up Gold (technically, self-released last year)
Listen man, your viewpoint is a little fanboy and it’s fucking ridiculous. I’m a large supporter of the group, even though they canceled their tour and disappeared off the face of the Earth the same week that I was supposed to interview them for a print publication. I have a friend who’s spoken with Zach in the past–he told me about Death Grips before anything was released–and was even supposed to release some shit for him, but he bounced on that. They signed to EPIC and you’re on here talking about how they will never sell out or be in a major magazine? What the fuck are you talking about. From an industry standpoint, it’s my understanding that it’s technically near impossible to release a physical album before year’s end, when they didn’t finish the fucking thing until October. They canceled their tour, apparently, to finish this thing, so they are the ones that are actually fucking up the release date and were way behind on everything. Simply from a quality control perspective, you have to make sure that all of the physical copies aren’t defective and that everything’s straight before selling them. If they’re talking about vinyl, I’ve had it explained that there’s easily a 3 month wait with a lot of plants because there’s a huge Beatles reissue campaign going on, pushing pressing plants back even further. When I was sent my Money Store promo, it had a No Love sticker in it, but they hadn’t even gotten anywhere with the album yet and a week later had to cancel a tour that they just announced? They played Coachella and Moog Fest. They’ve done tons of shit for Pitchfork. The shows that they canceled were the small shows and the publications that they’ve blown off were the small ones. I’m not sure what you think constitutes underground or mainstream, but your points are weak at best and slightly blind.
Keep in mind, this is coming from someone that championed them early on with Ex Military and continue to be a fan of theirs, but it doesn’t add up. Maybe they felt shitty about feeling like they’ve sold out, or whatever, and I want to believe in fucking up the majors for good cause, but I really don’t see EPIC at fault in this scenario whatsoever. Zach Hill was in Wavves for chrissakes. Right now as I type this, Bethany Constantino is drinking Bushmills on the side of this page, probably thinking about her Urban Outfitters clothing line.
No Company Flow?