oooo I am so sorry I misread, IDIOT! wow, ending sentences with IDIOT is really cathartic, IDIOT! next time i’ll read more closely, IDIOT! i disagree with your interpretation of the chorus anyways, IDIOT!
I didn’t say it was ironic. I said it was banal, which means lacking in originality. Use a dictionary. As I’m sure you know (unless you live under a rock), “scream and shout” and “work it out” are oft-used phrases in pop music. Funeral is also my favorite album of all time, so no need to be so dismissive.
Love the songs themselves, but I can’t help but feel like they’ve never written a chorus as banal as “Can we work it out? / Scream and shout.” Not doubting that the catchiness will convince me otherwise. We’ll see how it turns out on record.
“They heard me singing and they told me to stop,
‘Quit these pretentious things and just punch the clock.’”
Not saying that she is aware of criticism, but just sayin’ — she doesn’t care!
I came here just to say this! Also, calling them a great alt-pop singles band is a little demeaning. Garbage and Version 2.0 are both great albums, even beyond the singles.
I was having a bad day it’s OK
“Most of this mainstream pop (including JT) is METHODICAL MANUFACTURED PRODUCT engineered to key in on what market research says is viable.”
Well, yeah. That’s obvious. But that doesn’t mean it can’t be enjoyable, albeit on a level that is GENERALLY, but definitely not always, more superficial than the enjoyment of most music.
NO NORTH AMERICAN COULD EVER CLAIM TO BE ANYWHERE NEAR THE BOTTOM?
NO North American?
Do you realize that even APART from the “bottoms” in the United States and even Canada (see: Rust Belt, Camden, Compton, Native American reservations… the list goes on), the Central American subcontinent is considered North America? Please, if you’re going to make confoundingly idiotic statements about privilege at least learn geographical terms first. Jesus.
Also his video for Joy Division’s “Atmosphere” which is easily one of my top five ever videos.
This might sound a little dumb, but I’m hoping if it is a double album, it’s actually double album length instead of less than 80 minutes of music spread over two discs (looking at you, M83, Flaming Lips, Beyoncé, etc…)
(Then again, Joanna Newsom’s Have One on Me was a triple album that could have been a double album, but would have been impossible to digest otherwise. So maybe I’m just immature.)
Hmm, it’s incredibly petty of you to go the route of personal attack instead of actually looking at my argument, but your post is so inane that I feel like responding anyways:
“You have lots of knowledge of GaGa and know that her ideas aren’t original but some are which you do not see.”
Interesting that you’d say this and then go on to admit that her ideas aren’t original and are going to be “re-introduced”.
“also, i have respect for her image because she doesn’t try to please people like you.”
Pretty sure I’m right in her target demographic — gay teenagers who like pop music — but thanks for letting me know that I’m apparently not.
” in fact it shows that none of you know anything about fashion even if it hit you in the face.”
Did I ever claim to know anything about fashion? I was clearly attacking her music, which you seem to be failing to defend.
” in fact it shows that none of you know anything about fashion even if it hit you in the face.”
Well, I fell head over heels for “Bad Romance” back in the day. It’s just a solid pop song. I wanted her to succeed ever since, but ever since “Born This Way” I started to lose more and more hope as time passed and her Artpop manifesto proved to me that it’s time to give up.
” i don’t understand why and i would also like to see you write a better album.”
Not only am I not a musician, but I don’t claim that any music i would make would result in dramatic, world altering reactions. Not relevant.
“each artist has a theme or themes they like to follow for each album and born this way was about being who you truly are. so yes there would be a couple of songs with the same message.That’s just stating the fucking obvious.”
It’s one thing to write songs with similar themes and messages, and its another to write songs which are all rehashes of one another.
“For everyone that discredits her i have no respect for them because they have no knowledge of what she does, who she meets (tony bennett, elton john,cher, etc…, and what she is awarded for.that is just overlooking things because you don’t want to accept ANY truth nor have the desire to look for any”
Wait a second, didn’t you just say that I “have lots of knowledge of GaGa” and that “if [you] spent as much time as [i] clearly have trying to figure out GaGa [you] would have no life”? Very interesting. And how is who she meets relevant in any way? Mariah Carey met Muammar Ghadaffi and performed a private concert for his family, does that mean he wasn’t a ruthless dictator?
Again, you failed to acknowledge any of the points of my argument and furthermore resorted to inane moot points to back yourself up. So I’m just going to assume this is because you had no actual argument to make and there is some validity to my points. Even if you might be right about her being a solid fashion icon (and, as I’m sure you can see, I NEVER CLAIMED TO HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF FASHION), she is not a music revolutionary. End of story.
Okay, I’m not really sure if it’s worth arguing you seeing as, given your profile picture, you’re clearly an avid Gaga fan. But here goes:
There is one thing that makes Gaga important: she speaks to alienated kids, especially those in the LGBT community. This is really good! Especially if you consider the wave of suicides in gay youth a few years ago, it’s very, very admirable that Gaga is speaking to this crowd of kids. And furthermore, one could even credit her with sparking a wave of fellow pop stars nodding to this movement, (Kesha’s “We R Who We R”, Katy Perry’s “Firework”, Pink’s “Raise Your Glass”, etc.) and that’s awesome.
But what people refuse to acknowledge is her music and image is not innovative or unique in the slightest. There is nothing she’s done that hasn’t already been done by the likes of Madonna, Björk, David Bowie, and the like. Absolutely everything she does is incredibly derivative. Even the chorus of “Born This Way” BLATANTLY COPS the chorus from Madonna’s “Express Yourself”, and frankly, that’s an embarrassment. The fact that she had the nerve to go on and claim Madonna approved this only makes it more disgusting.
Then there’s the fact that that same album is, for the most part, painful, overproduced, standard pop trash. There’s the incessant “It’s okay to be who you are” songs, which would be FINE if they were unique, but just a look at a few of them — “Born This Way”, “Bad Kids”, “Hair” — basically proves she has nothing new to say. Seriously, is “I am my hair” a new statement in any way? Didn’t think so.
And the fact that not just she, but fellow musicians as well, felt the need to hype this album so hyperbolically in the months prior to its release only made it more of a shockingly incompetent clunker. She set it up to be her Like a Prayer, Purple Rain, or Thriller, and we got tracks like “Highway Unicorn (Road to Love)”, which, if I’m not mistaken, is about motorcycle-unicorn hybrids which fall in love after the apocalypse. Brilliant.
And now she’s doing it again! The manifesto she released to announce Artpop, is, at best, an honest but failed attempt at relevance, and at worst is a masturbatory and disturbing confirmation of her total loss of perspective with where she truly stands in the pop music world. An app album? Wow, sounds like something Björk did JUST TWO YEARS AGO. How am i supposed to believe this album is “Altering the human experience”, and what the hell is a “reverse Warholian expedition”?
I would literally be fine and maybe even like Gaga if it wasn’t for her nonstop posturing as some sort of brilliant artist, but the relentless pretentiousness with zero substance to back up her dramatic, over-the-top stances are cringeworthy at best. I wouldn’t be surprised if Artpop is ultimately what drags her into total irrelevancy, but I’ll admit we will have to wait and see, even if I’m not holding my breath.
Alright I understand. Appreciate the clarification.
A lot of times with lists with such narrow scopes (100 albums isn’t very many at all) I just take the artists into account — thrilled to see that Elliott Smith, Bjork, Sonic Youth, MBV, and the Pixies were even acknowledged — but omitting Kid A is something of a joke. I would have much rather they omitted OK Computer and included it. I legitimately believe that it’s going to be remembered as one of the most important artistic works of its era. But given their target audience… this list isn’t that bad.
You realize Citizen Kane is almost universally recognized by film scholars across the world as the greatest of all time… right? It was knocked off the top of Sight and Sound poll by Vertigo and Tokyo Story, but its reputation is immense?
Maybe I misunderstood the tone of your comment, but…
Not as bad as Time Magazine’s rampant inclusion of compilations, but this does bug me immensely. They are literally not albums. It doesn’t make sense.
Daydream Nation is the greatest American album of all time IMO, but I was glad to even see it acknowledged. In a pop culture sense I can sort of see why Live Through This was ranked ahead, but that’s not really the point of these lists and musically there is no question Daydream Nation trumps…. everything.
“Time to Get Real” (would totally listen to this one)
Also, I’ve seen critics taking Ke$ha seriously, but have yet to see similar treatment for Bieber or Katy Perry. Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Adele, Beyonce, and Taylor Swift all seem to be taken relatively similarly, but is this really that much of a change, or are the years from roughly the mid-90s to the late 2000s just a shift from what should be the norm? Let’s remember that Prince, Madonna, and Michael Jackson — probably the 3 biggest pop stars of the 80′s — all earned their share of critical acclaim in their day, and while none of today’s pop stars (save Kanye, if you could even call him that anymore) have reached any of their heights and are even criticized for being derivative of aforementioned 80′s pop stars, I’m not sure it’s so much of a sudden seismic shift of critical taste so much as a slow readjustment to accepting pop music as legitimate after the horrifying manufactured junk that polluted pop music airwaves in the late 90′s and early 00′s (think *NSYNC, Backstreet Boys, early Britney…).
But I might be completely wrong. I don’t know. Just some thoughts. Also I know that last sentence up there was way too long but I’m too lazy to edit it right now, sorry.
Good article, but I’m not sure citing “Call Me Maybe” as the Pazz and Jop winner proves it’s anything more than a novelty singer that everyone’s tired of by now — let’s not forget they named “MMMBop” the best single of 1997.
Tracks 5-7 are all among the best tracks of the year / best tracks he’s ever recorded IMO. Bound 2 is really good too. The rest were all good and I think this is definitely AOTY material at the moment, but I can’t figure out where i’d place it if I were to rank his discography. But there’s plenty of time for me to figure that out.
Glad I tempered my expectations, it exceeded them wildly.
What about the entire east coast what about the upper midwest which I could feasibly roadtrip to Kevin Shields why do you have to play with my emotions like this!?
I figured you liked it but just in naming the first 3 tracks I also figured you might think it was frontloaded/uneven etc. I can see that though, I feel like everyone reads their discography differently and such so no hard feelings