So geniuses have full reign to hit women? That's weird logic. I, personally, adore Lennon's music, and could care less about Surfer Blood. I just find it interesting where people, arbitrarily, draw their lines in the sand.
So if you're a genius, you should be able to have carte blanche? I don't think you meant it this way, but the subjective quality of someone's art shouldn't be the test of forgiveness?
Personally, I don't Chris Brown's music because, in my opinion, it's awful. I also don't care for him personally, since after beating the piss out of Rihanna, he's shown no remorse, and has even been belligerent to anyone that's called him out on it.
Lennon was just used as a reference because most people adore him. I don't think my point is that flawed, unless you are the rare exception that supports art made be only "perfect" people. What about Polanski, Burroughs, Chaplin, Woody Allen, Sean Connery?...like you said the list goes on and on.
I agree with you that Surfer Blood's music is half-decent indie rock, but what does that have to do with anything? If it was your favorite musician, filmmaker, artist, author, would it be ok then? I understand the outrage, but question how militant you are about the issue? Or do you decide whose art is good enough to overcome lapses in moral behavior arbitrarily?
This whole argument about not liking someone's art, because of the person they are, is understandable, but ultimately seems arbitrary with most of you. Do you enjoy John Lennon's music? Roman Polanski's films? Sean Connery? William Burroughs' books? The list goes on and on. If you discounted the art of morally-reprehensible people, you'd be throwing away a lot of the stuff we consider great. The art shouldn't be judged against the artist, unless you're going to do it across the board.
Never knew about the money; that changes things a bit. Yeah, I agree, I wasn't there; I don't know what went on. After a 16yr absence, my self-righteous 19yr old self took over.
There seems to be some serious white-washing of history concerning Fay's departure of the band.
Barlow says:
"but in reality Sub Pop put an enormous amount of money into that record and they put us in a studio and immediately the guy we were working with was like, “You’ve got to fire your drummer.” And I was just like, “Oh fuck.” He was telling us that the songs would never really explode unless we got a different drummer, which put us in the position of making this really difficult decision which, of course, we didn’t make. The drummer stayed."
This seems entirely different from the interviews at the time (talked about below) and differs from a City Beat interview in 2011, where Barlow says,
"When we went into the studio the first thing that happened was that the guy who had recorded Bakesale with us said, ‘You have to fire your drummer, and you have to do it now’ (laughs). I knew he was right on a creative level; I knew that Bob (Fay) wasn’t the greatest drummer, but he was a really good friend and he was really fun to hang out with.
We didn’t fire him, obviously, but it put a really weird spin on the rest of the recording of the record, and it definitely put a shadow over the touring for the record. Eventually we did fire him because he wasn’t that great, but by the time we did that it was too little too late — we’d already blown our chance."
Being a insanely huge Sebadoh fan, I bought all of the albums, side-project albums and magazine interviews. When The Sebadoh came out I seem to remember Lou and Jake stating in interviews that Fay wasn't good enough, that the new drummer was so much better, and that they were "going for it" with this album.
The internet, from my memory at least, was a few years old, as far as mainstream popularity, and there were several blog interviews with Bob Fay, dumb-founded, saying that he was never given a reason why he was abruptly kicked out.
I remember a lot of fans on the early message boards, myself included, refusing to buy the album out of principle. It seems silly now, but at the time, we had bought the "myth of Lou" hook, line and sinker. This unceremoniously kicking out of a friend for a chance at greater success seemed eerily like Lou's sacking from Dinosaur Jr. You started to think that maybe Barlow was the dick all along.
It seems ridiculous to care about stuff like this...oh well.
Some of the most horrible lyrics ever written. You know it's bad when "you're so fresh to death as sick as cancer" isn't the most eye-rolling lyric. Lizzy Grant, aka Lana Del Ray, is trying to succeed Patrick Monahan as the worst lyricist in music.
Let me begin by saying that paragraphs are your friend. They separate different points in an argument and improve readability.
There are too many unknowns in the Harrison case to really know how innocent Harrison was. Personally, I’ve always believed it to be the same as you seem to do. Of course, Zeppelin was underhanded. I don’t see how anyone could argue otherwise. What do you think of early White Stripes?
Kurt’s top 50 albums of all time list included Pixies Surfer Rosa (#2) and Scratch Acid’s first EP (#8). Nowhere in the top 50 does he mention Creedence. Listen to Pixies “Tame” and to Scratch Acid’s “Cannibal”, for what seems, to me, to be the obvious examples.
Great portions of Incesticide sound eerily like the Scratch Acid EP. I mean, listen to the opening of “She Said” and tell me that Nirvana weren’t as guilty of what you’re accusing Pains of being.
What about the Beach Boys? Don’t a lot of their earlier, and more popular, output sound like doo-wop rip-offs?
If you’re not using a Xerox PC, you’re basically supporting rip-off artists.
You say that the “art” of movie-making has more leeway to appropriate existing art than music does. IMO, that argument is crap. Art is art and rip-offs are rip-offs. Putting qualifications on one art form to be more “pure” than another is just silly.
You say “a high percentage of their melodies are the same as the songs from that era”, well please give us examples. (i.e. this Pains song rips off the melody of this song…etc). Since it’s “a high percentage” several references would make your argument more credible than one or two.
Let me begin by saying that paragraphs are your friend. They separate different points in an argument and improve readability.
There are too many unknowns in the Harrison case to really know how innocent Harrison was. Personally, I've always believed it to be the same as you seem to do. Of course, Zeppelin was underhanded. I don't see how anyone could argue otherwise. What do you think of early White Stripes?
Kurt's top 50 albums of all time list included Pixies Surfer Rosa (#2) and Scratch Acid's first EP (#8). Nowhere in the top 50 does he mention Creedence. Listen to Pixies "Tame" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BLtLRTFimA) and to Scratch Acid's "Cannibal" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imwAdN53H40), for what seems, to me, to be the obvious examples.
Great portions of Incesticide sound eerily like the Scratch Acid EP. I mean, listen to the opening of "She Said" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqWwB1M3J7k) and tell me that Nirvana weren't as guilty of what you're accusing Pains of being.
What about the Beach Boys? Don't a lot of their earlier, and more popular, output sound like doo-wop rip-offs?
If you're not using a Xerox PC, you're basically supporting rip-off artists.
You say that the "art" of movie-making has more leeway to appropriate existing art than music does. IMO, that argument is crap. Art is art and rip-offs are rip-offs. Putting qualifications on one art form to be more "pure" than another is just silly.
You say "a high percentage of their melodies are the same as the songs from that era", well please give us examples. (i.e. this Pains song rips off the melody of this song...etc). Since it's "a high percentage" several references would make your argument more credible than one or two.
You must hate The Beatles "Come Together", George Harrison's "My Sweet Lord", Early- Led Zeppelin and countless other bands/songs that are heralded as "classics". Why listen to any modern music since in reality it "has all been done before". I could give you pages and pages of songs, that you probably love, that knowingly, and unknowingly, ripped off what came before.
You also must despise Kurt Cobain, as a singer, since it's obvious he just copied Scratch Acid-era David Yow and Black Francis.
You must also think that the original Star Wars trilogy is worthless, because it essentially is just Joseph Campbell's "Hero with a Thousand Faces" set to moving pictures. Also several shots, and I mean several, are direct lifts from movies that came before.
Your logic is flawed.
Aren't these the same people that were tweeting snarky comments about Tyler the Creator's "shock" tactics a couple of weeks ago during the Tegan & Sara thing; and now they post a video that is basically what Tyler raps about.
Talk about the pc-indie double-standard. Is this really different because it's a little white girl?
I love BSS, but hypocrite is what comes to mind.
Headline: 'You Light Up My Life' composer kills self, police say
CNN link: http://bit.ly/j8RzFU
Hey indie-pc elite, I'm now more worried about the people that write fluffy-pop ballads than anything Tyler could say.
"Joseph Brooks, 73, was facing charges on 11 alleged rapes and sex assaults..." man...and then his son, "was charged in January with the murder of his ex-girlfriend".
Man this lyric, "So many dreams I kept deep inside me/Alone in the dark but now/You've come along...", has a totally different meaning for me now. Hahah, later in the song, "It can't be wrong
When it feels so right ". Oh, the irony.
I wonder what kind of sick $#!% Celine Dion is up to.
Coming on a blog and posting that it's a waste of time to post on said blog is moronic in itself. I'll let someone far more intelligent that myself respond to your "read only newspapers" statement:
"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers."
--Thomas Jefferson
First off, I'm a huge T&S fan.
Since Syd the Kyd, an openly gay female, is a member of Odd Future, don't you feel this argument is silly?
Do you love Dexter? Did you love Lecter in Silence of the Lambs? Tyler has said over and over again that "Wolf Haley" is his serial killer alter-ego. I can't believe anyone, who considers themselves literate, can't see what's going on.
You want some real treating-women-like-an-object type stuff, go read Keroauc.
Geez....you're really spending time worrying about this? Really?
Hey, I'm prolly behind and can't use Google worth a damn, but is it common knowledge that the first couple of lines, from "Sandwitches", is about Dave Berman (SIlver Jews)? Thanks for any info.
The lip-synching is awful in it's intensity. For a song that is so great and full of life (or whatever you want to call it), the video is lifeless and pretentious.
Hey, I haven't been able to listen to songs through your player for a couple of days. If I click on the download button it pops up a redirecting error. Any help?
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