Ooh, cool downvotes! Sorry for the slow response, I was on vacation.
In response, yes, I did read your whole comment, which I think is pretty apparent from my response, so can we be cool?
Secondly, I didn’t ever say that it was only damaging to women, but I think what you’re obscuring is that the inherent power dynamic at play here runs against women more than it runs against men. Does it hurt men? Absolutely! But it’s the same chauvinist societal viewpoint that hurts women that is hurting men also, you can’t address one without addressing the other. These aren’t two sides at odds here, feminists on one side of the trench and men on the other, we should be out there on the same side of the trench here and I don’t think that denying that refusing to acknowledge that misogyny is a really serious thing that exists is helping the issue.
I’m sorry that you feel personally victimized, Michael_ and honestly, I’m not trying to attack you personally. I admit I’m making some generalizations and neither men nor women are monolithic groups where everyone is the same. I remember growing up being the weird awkward kid who really didn’t fit into the classic male stereotype of tall strong and muscular. But, just for the record, I would have killed for the body that you’re complaining about, and I feel like it’s kind of disingenuous to make the claim that what you experience is equivalent to victims of misogyny, because of the societal baggage surrounding each issue.
I just want to preface this with the fact that you’re one of my favourite Stereogum commenters and I really like and respect what you have to say in general but you are way out to lunch on this.
Can men have thoughtful and insightful comments on women’s issues? Sure they can. Of course they can. But you, as a man, don’t get to decide what’s misogyny and what isn’t. I’m sorry, you just don’t. If a woman thinks something you said is misogynist, you don’t get to invalidate her lived experience by telling her that’s she’s wrong, just like if someone thought something you said was racist, it’s their lived experience you are trying to respect.
As a male, you have to remember that your experience of the world is much different than a woman’s and just because you don’t feel like you’re being disrespectful doesn’t mean that’s not how somebody else felt about it. It’s just sensitivity. Two men trying to have a conversation about what is and what isn’t misogynist is fine, but they are talking about the issue from a place where they will never, ever happen to experience it and that is in itself a very privileged place, and it’s always best to be mindful of that.
Sorry for the novel!
Pretty much nails Robyn’s dance moves
If we’re going to not listen to indie bands because they have stupid names, that’s going to cut a loooot of good music off our playlists.
Quite right, Josh. Consent is important, and if there wasn’t mutual consent than that is a problem regardless of what happens afterwards. I admit I’m speaking a bit from a place of ignorance here because I don’t really know anything about Danny Brown, but I feel like even if you talk a lot about how much you love blowjobs, that isn’t a global invitation for everyone in the world to give you a blowjob at any time.
Also, Tom: Even if he had backed away, pulling down somebody’s pants in an attempt to fellate them is still sexual assault, regardless if they actually get their mouth on your junk.
Is it just me or does the keyboard/vocal tuning seem way off at the beginning?
But the story of that horse is so inspiring?
Yep, this was great and Karen O’s wardrobe continues to be ridiculous and amazing.
Also, can I just put a plug in for the lady conducting BIV? She is AMAZING.