This past weekend, Father John Misty had what he’s described as a “kind of a full meltdown” while onstage at the XPN Festival in Camden, New Jersey. During his set, Josh Tillman played only two songs, one improvised and one Leonard Cohen cover, while telling the crowd a lot of things. The gist of his onstage talk was essentially this: “Entertainment is stupid.” He also stayed onstage for less than half of his allotted time. Since then, some of Father John Misty’s peers, including Strand Of Oaks frontman Timothy Showalter, have criticized him for the whole thing. Here’s what Showalter said on Twitter:

Furthering your entertainment career by calling entertainment stupid

— Timothy Showalter (@Strandofoaks) July 23, 2016

Funny it didn't happen at a big pay day fest. Instead at fest run by an amazing group of hard working people bettering their community

— Timothy Showalter (@Strandofoaks) July 23, 2016

Stay off the internet and go on a hike. People work hard and love music.

— Timothy Showalter (@Strandofoaks) July 23, 2016

Shows have saved my life. The stage is a privilege more importantly FANS are a privilege. Go on a lecture tour if you have so much to say

— Timothy Showalter (@Strandofoaks) July 23, 2016

If everyone is watching, you know that you will get attention. Benefiting from the problem is not the solution. So sick of this shit

— Timothy Showalter (@Strandofoaks) July 23, 2016

Start a charity, work for habitat for humanity, volunteer, whatever. Be productive.

— Timothy Showalter (@Strandofoaks) July 23, 2016

My grandpa used to say if philosophers were farmers the world would go hungry.

— Timothy Showalter (@Strandofoaks) July 23, 2016

That's it. I love your music so much. But don't come to my town and insult my peoples intelligence.

— Timothy Showalter (@Strandofoaks) July 23, 2016

Meanwhile, on Twitter, Tillman responded to Showalter and to an article that festival sponsors WXPN posted, rounding up Twitter reactions to Misty’s set:

I'm looking forward to "rant"s etymological future wherein it replaces "speak" entirely.

— FARMER JAH MISERY (@fatherjohnmisty) July 25, 2016

.@Strandofoaks Entertainment is context. History is full of disgusting forms of entertainment justified by cultural bias and passivity.

— FARMER JAH MISERY (@fatherjohnmisty) July 25, 2016

@Strandofoaks Draping yourself in local boy righteousness is an easy sell. No matter where I was, what I saw the night before fucked me up.

— FARMER JAH MISERY (@fatherjohnmisty) July 25, 2016

@Strandofoaks @wxpn The future is going to have a hay day with us and our reality tv Mussolini

— FARMER JAH MISERY (@fatherjohnmisty) July 25, 2016

@Strandofoaks @wxpn but at least you'll be able to say you did your best to tweet at the dissenters.

— FARMER JAH MISERY (@fatherjohnmisty) July 25, 2016

The neediness and political pettiness of these stations is unreal. Every band hates it. Tour is grueling but you make time to form bonds.

— FARMER JAH MISERY (@fatherjohnmisty) July 25, 2016

I thought I had capital with @wxpn. I ridiculously thought that though much of the audience might not get it they would bc we have history.

— FARMER JAH MISERY (@fatherjohnmisty) July 25, 2016

Stations I've busted ass for hv threatened in an instant to cut support not only for me but my label if I played a show sponsored by a rival

— FARMER JAH MISERY (@fatherjohnmisty) July 25, 2016

To internalize such an obviously current sentiment as a personal slight instead of doing your job to promote the message of artists is crazy

— FARMER JAH MISERY (@fatherjohnmisty) July 25, 2016

.@WuCurdy @wxpn Maybe you and I have radically different ideas about what my job is and part that might actually be why I'm in my position

— FARMER JAH MISERY (@fatherjohnmisty) July 25, 2016

I mean I was actually LOOKING FOR DAVID DYE afterwords because I respect the man and know he understands me @wxpnfm

— FARMER JAH MISERY (@fatherjohnmisty) July 25, 2016

People ask ME to appreciate slots and whtvr and I watch as people waddle around talking through music and looking at their phones everyday

— FARMER JAH MISERY (@fatherjohnmisty) July 25, 2016

After the XPN set, Tillman also played a Father John Misty set at Detroit’s Mo Pop Festival. During his time onstage in Detroit, Tillman attempted to address the fallout of the XPN show. The basic thesis of what he said on Detroit was this: “I will be the internet’s pretentious douchebag if that’s what it takes for me to occasionally say something like this. I hope you understand that I respect you and that it is not about, you know, lecture time.”

Here’s video of Tillman in Detroit:

Meanwhile, Ryan Adams, who also played at XPN Fest, obliquely addressed the whole Father John Misty situation during his set:

"No lectures tonight. Let's just have some fun." – @TheRyanAdams #XPNFest

— Jenelle Janci (@jenelley) July 23, 2016

So: Does Tillman have a point, or is he being an asshole? Or both?