Le1f always was one of those artists whose names I always see in passing, and know I should check out, but for whatever reason, always forget to. I guess this week is as good as ever to do just that.
Also, thanks for having some empathy for us music readers not focused on what is happening in Austin this week in the first ‘graph. This is definitely the week where I want to bomb my Twitter feed into oblivion because it’s just an annoying stream of humblebrags saying “(x) band was really good.” “Hey (@twitterhandle) are you at the (x) party? We up in here!!! HMU!” “Oh man, that taco was so good.” “Ugh, so hungover. Not going to stop me from seeing (x) though!) Save it for your daily round-up reviews that I’ll read the next day, people. It also confuses me as to who thinks they are part of the industry, because I see a lot of small time writers heading down there as if they’re going to get into the same parties as someone with a SPIN badge. It’s spring break for the music press, and for the rest of us, there’s a million festivals to choose from.
Seeing that I three-peated the words “as well” in my initial comment, I clearly misinterpreting your point, RJ. Sorry, dude!
I just used “as well” so many times there. *turns red with embarrassment*
I’ve seen the authorship of the Album of the Week being handed off to a different writer as well, though, and I can very well, on the heels of them playing Stereogum’s SXSW party, see Perfect Pussy being given the honors as well. Tom has shown favoritism toward La Dispute as well.
Let’s not count those chickens before they hatch and be content that Lost In the Dream has already gotten two long-form features here on Stereogum.
My copy of the Slave Ambient tape was delivered during a warm weather season, and it got all warped by the heat in the mail. It’s an interesting listen none the less…
“If I had to bet money on which hardcore scene staples would pull the Fucked Up/Trash Talk indie-kid crossover next, my pick would be these literate Grand Rapids thrashers. La Dispute suffuse their all-out pummel with layered dynamics and post-rock excursions without compromising their sense of passionate abandon. They should be a thing to see.” – Tom on Fun Fun Fun Fest’s 10 Must See Acts
Very much looking forward to hearing it all come to fruition on this go.
Late last year, Soundgarden came through my area and they played a decrepit mid-sized general admission venue. It took a few months to sell out. I’m sure this will sell well seeing that summer package tours are made for 30 and 40 year olds who want go to a concert because they want to get drunk and hear the hits from when they were in high school, but judging by Soundgarden’s last album, I’d probably only stick around for half their set if they took turns with NIN on who would close out the night.
I would have definitely preferred it if NIN and QOTSA brought that Aussie tour they did together Stateside instead. Somehow, the Linkin Park, Academy Award-winner Jared Leto and AFI package tour feels more of a complete bang for the buck with Soundgarden being thrown into the equation here.
Looking forward to feeling left out of all the SXSW action imminently. I think Stereogum has one of the best party lineups out there, but it’s going to be hard for anyone to top the Fader Fort’s booking of Jojo into Nothing.
What’s unfortunate is that the early Aughts DFA sound they helped cultivate is experiencing a stylistic resurgence right now, and it probably could have benefited them had they worked on new material. Rest in peace to the band who practically started tastemaking for the masses.
I did read the Mish’s article closely and did see the sentence where she calls it selfish and so forth, but I’m not sure how someone writing a personal essay differs than Thurston giving an interview. They both admit to doing the same dirty deed, with the only difference being their choice of wording and public approach. Her essay also did not say anything along the lines of wanting to stop being an unfaithful lover, so there’s that. I’m not sure what you are asking for — Some form of pardon for her because she was more introspective about discussing the subject of being unfaithful, in addition to cuckolding and fetishes? I can look past the latter two — to each their own — but I said it already, and I will say it again: Cheating is cheating. At the end of the day, some one / people is / are getting hurt as a consequence and that is amongst one of the most terrible actions that one person can do to another.
As for Jezebel, did I say I was surprised at what Jezebel wrote? No.
But do I feel like Thurston is barking up the wrong tree? Not really.
Do I feel like both sides deserve each other? Yes, I do. It’s like watching two morons argue with each other.
THURSTON + JEZEBEL = MATCH MADE IN ETERNAL LOVE HEAVEN
I’m looking at more from a perspective of their action being on the same level, whether it be self-aware and accountable or not. Mish Way doesn’t seem at all apologetic about that detail in that piece — she seems to accept it as a way of her life — so I’m not seeing what you’re trying to say here in that either of their actions is more justifiable than the other. Cheating is cheating. There’s no grey area in the definition.
The double standard, by the way, is that Jezebel is a feminist website who pounced on the chance to turn out a tabloid story about a musician cheating on their other when there are clearly many examples of female musicians out there doing just the same. Because Thurston is “an aging indie rock cool” guy and the person he cheated on is Kim, an “ageless indie rock cool lady,” it just reads like a bunch of pissed off female writers reaching for some low hanging fruit to show the world that — as always, men are horrible, unfaithful dicks.
I think you’re going to find very few people who will sympathize with Moore and not think of him as a “dick” these days, but I also do think that in the context of Jezebel being a feminist website, he does make a point. If Kim were the person cheating, would they have shamed her as well? Would it even have been a story? And then I look at another popular indie musician like Mish Way of White Lung, a feminist herself who has also admitted in an article for Salon, “I have cheated on every single boyfriend I have ever had.” It’s a confusing double-standard when you consider that, and I think Jezebel set them up for this knocking by making it seem like cheating is exclusive to just men.
tl:dr; Everyone is a hypocritical asshole.
It’s definitely worth reading, but as longer reads become more of a weekly occurrence on here, I guess now would be a great time for us to suggest looking into a design reformat to make it a bit easier a task to take in if they aren’t being explored already. I can see something like this looking great on a tablet scrolling wide left to right like a magazine — Maybe larger font as well.
Her online personality is unbearable. On Twitter, she can’t form full sentences, mocks coverage she gets and generally seems like an aloof wealthy art kid who — at the great advantage she’s at — doesn’t even appreciate it. This sentence in the interview ruffled my feathers the most:
“I like that people sometimes ask if I’m from the suburbs. It’s a way better vibe over there; everyone is purely nice, there’s nothing fake going on. I like to take on the folkie attitude.”
Nice to know that my every day real life is your fashion statement, kid…
I hadn’t yet fallen in too deep in love with her work and like you said, it isn’t all that original, so it’s a clean break before the relationship gets serious, complicated and potentially messy. More than anything, I’m irked about her facade of being some DIY songwriter for the cassette culture crowd who wears that entire aesthetic like a fashion trend. And you wonder why people outside of NYC have this perception that Brooklyn is just a bunch of rich kids dressing in thrift store clothes pretending to be bohemians.
It’s important to mention one huge thing that is absent when making negative comments on the Internet: The loss of facial expression and vocal tone to convey the true emotion behind the words. When you write something, it remains permanent as well, so it allows people to dwell on it longer and fester their outcry over it. Aside from misogynistic / homophobic / racist / sexist / whatever disgusting remarks, a lot of comments that get labeled as “trollish” on message boards or tweets wouldn’t even phase anyone if they came about in regular conversation in the company of friends / real life.
Ex. Someone says “Ugh, I hate Radiohead. They’re boring and put me to sleep.” here and it’s -35 downvotes and six replies about how that person is an expletive this and a moron that. Over a cup of coffee at a table of four, the response could be quiet chuckles thanks to your grin and calm demeanor upon stating those same words, especially in the context of the location.
Not playing is a good solution. Not talking to one another altogether would suffice as well, but I think we all feel like we’re missing out on something these days if we aren’t connected to some degree over wifi signals.
Sorry, I forgot to finish my thought: If I can help avoiding another wannabe art kid who already has their life financials all set so even if they fail at their project, it won’t spell doom for them, in the long run, I will. It’s just something I do out of principal, and I can already hear the argument about needing to separate the art from the artist or whatever. Why not I just devote my attention to some kids out there who are certifiably starving for their art.
I was intrigued by the charming simplicity of her work, but the Pitchfork Rising article on her just hit and I felt like the entire time, it was trying to ignore the revelation that she’s actually the daughter of actors Kevin Kline and Phoebe Cates without fessing up to how that’s put her a stark advantage in comparison to other DIY musicians. I don’t know how I feel about it entirely, but right now, it’s kind of a buzz kill for me. I’m sure there are other musicians out there who I listen to that come from celebrity or well to-do families, but add in that DIY ethos are usually a thing for people who do so because they literally don’t have the means to make a career for themselves otherwise, and her entire shtick just seems very vanity to me.
In your case, because you are an articulate, rational person, it works, but just look at last week’s worst comment on Stereogum. It was from your average mom-ish type facebook user, and not that her comment was vile in the way most trollish comments are, but it read like a really ignorant rant that made her look pretty foolish. If some 50-something-year-old adult feels she can freely put her full name behind that publicly, the general population isn’t going to do any better. I think people are actually getting more comfortable with making their virtual footprints larger, assuming that it’s just the norm to have a public Twitter account with your full name, posting comments on a public forum using your facebook account, public Instagramming and so on. The reason I don’t use my facebook account here nor do I identify my full name elsewhere is because what I think is even more dangerous is that in the wrong hands, your identity can take a hit for the worse.
Well, no offense, but your reaction to my comment above is a bit like the attitude that makes the Internet such an ugly meeting spot. Social behavior isn’t necessarily a black or white matter — Sometimes people react in such a bad way because they’ve concluded that the public forum is a wasteland devoid of standards. In a way, we’re ruining each other and cultivating a culture where the best practices are actually worst practices of one-upmanship and looking for every chance we get to find fault in what some stranger is saying or continue pouncing on them once you’ve struck a nerve.
It isn’t always a case of one person just innocently minding their business and then some other person comes along, tears them apart. It’s a lot of things. It can surely be the case where someone is a real life asshole and is in the business of spreading their rude thoughts to upset the rhythm, but if you look at cases of cyberbullying, you’ll sometimes find that the kid who bared the brunt of the attacks at some point retaliated in just the same way. Or in my case and what everyone seems to assume about my persona here in the past, it’s a case of two sparring parties never having butted heads before, but one person had a really bad experience in the past that forever made them incredibly defensive from there on out.
Don’t take my response here as an invitation to heatedly debate or as a personal diss. My recognition that there’s a problem with the way we / I are conditioned to carry ourselves / myself should be looked at as progress rather than hypocrisy.
Good for her and I think it goes a bit further than just online misogyny — It goes to respect for one another in general. Generally, we’re all a bunch of dicks to each other because some people use the excuse “It’s just the Internet” to justify saying horrible things they think disappear and absolve us wrongdoing once you X out the tab, and it usually spins out of control. It’s also over really stupid things. For music, sign up for Twitter and find yourself surrounded by full-on war of words between two people disagreeing about the quality of a band’s music, trends, review scores. It’s like we look for reasons to get mad, and in most instances it’s directed at people we don’t even know in real life. It’s really unhealthy on both ends, be it the recipient or the one slinging the shit, and I’ll be the first to admit from first hand experience. Even when people are simply tweeting or Status Updating, it’s useless white noise anyway that has no value to whoever is reading.
tl;dr: Just because you have an Internet soapbox, doesn’t mean you need to use it, but if you do, take some accountability for your actions.
I understand eighteenk’s jab was in jest, but I just wanted to say something about the subject because I myself was part of that particular hazing and upon looking more into it, I didn’t like what I saw. You are right that things on the Internet get real ugly really quickly. I know it’s asking for a lot, but we’re all basically strangers, and you never really do know what’s going behind the scenes in a person’s life, so while a bunch of arguing, insensitive comments may seem inconsequential to the person writing them, you just never know if they’ve struck a personal nerve with whomever is on the receiving end of them.
Let’s stop taking jabs at [REDACTED]. You don’t have to agree with what he writes or what he steers review scores towards, but is it not a stupid practice to vilify someone because their opinions are so different than yours, even if they have a pattern of being on an entirely different page? In reading through web history, there have been way too many open letters, fake Twitter accounts, tumblr blogs and other forms of public cutdowns of his work, and I can’t help but feel some empathy for the guy, who is supporting himself through the use of his words and music. It must get very tiring after awhile to constantly be the guy people “hate,” and when the foundation of their hostility is your beliefs — Well, no wonder he’s hardened toward public perception.
I stumbled upon his public facebook page a little while back, and there was one picture of himself which he took aim at something Stereogum readers had said here reflected in his comments to it. The guy shouldn’t have to live a life where things said on the Internet impact him personally once off the clock, even if it’s just to defend himself, shrug it off and make like he doesn’t care.
The Internet is such a stupid vacuum.
Is it our business? Well, let’s backtrack. The press release issued through Matador originally about their separation read:
“Musicians Kim Gordon and Thurston Moore, married in 1984, are announcing they have separated. Sonic Youth, with both Kim and Thurston involved, will proceed with its South American tour dates in November. Plans beyond that tour are uncertain. The couple has requested respect for their personal privacy and does not wish to issue further comment.”
…But then Kim and Thurston invited the world into the discussion about their relationship now that they’ve both made recent statements about it publicly in interviews, which is why we’re here right now. You can’t anticipate the public, be it fans or writers, to not pass judgement once you’ve elected to put the info out there for consumption.
I’ll avoid airing my opinion about someone’s personal life considering what happened the last time I did so. I thought we weren’t supposed to be in the business of knocking others’ lifestyle decisions around here, so I’m deferring back to you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯