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Odds are that if you have a Twitter account, you’re one of the 640,000+ people following @trent_reznor. And one of 640,000+ people having their images of him systematically reformed one lovesick tweet at a time. Anyway, all that’s over now: With what is apparently one last twit, Trent linked to a lengthy missive he posted on the NIN forum explaining the thinking behind “lowering the curtain” on his angsty mystique and making himself more approachable, and the attendant, inevitable fallout. Fallout which has become too distracting and destructive for him to bear, so he’s retiring his Web 2.0 presence. If you’re looking for someone to blame, try this guy (who made a big stink when Trent was trying to raise money for his ill fan), or the girls at Metal Sludge (a forum of “unattractive plump females … people NOBODY will fuck [who] make up stories about their incredible sexual encounters with people they WISH they could fuck”). By the way if you’re a poster over at MS, Trent offers some handy advice on how better to cut your veins. Because he cares. Here’s the unedited dispatch, typically articulate, worth a few minutes of your day:

It’s been an interesting experiment over the last couple of years or so. Faced with leaving the infrastructure of traditional record labels and figuring out what the right thing to do is in this new world – I found myself realizing that for me to have any concept of how to interact with the community and know what they might want / what they find appropriate, I need to immerse myself in that world and live it for a while.
The reason no record label knows how to market anything to new media is they don’t live there. They don’t get it because they don’t use it. What you’ve seen happen with the marketing and presentation of NIN over the last years is a direct result of living next to you, listening to you, consuming with you and interacting with you. Directly. There’s no handlers or PR people here, it’s me and my guys – that’s it. There’s no real plan, even – it’s just trying to do the right thing that respects you the fan, the music, and me the artist. That’s the goal – a mutual and shared respect.

When Twitter made it’s way to my radar I looked at it as a curiosity, then started experimenting. I thought it through and in light of where I was / am in my career I decided to lower the curtain a bit and let you see more of my personality. I watched some of you get more engaged because you started to realize there’s a person (flaws and all) back there, and I watched some of you recoil in horror because I’m not what you projected on me. All expected. I’m not as concerned about “breaking” your idea of NIN at this point. It is what it is and I am what I am. The relationship between artist and fan is changing if you haven’t noticed, along with the way we consume and experience music and even communicate since the internet arrived.

The problem with really getting engaged in a community is getting through the clutter and noise. In a closed environment like nin.com a lot of this can be moderated away, or code can be implemented to make it more difficult for troublemakers to persist. It’s tedious and feels like wasted energy doing that shit, but some people exist to ruin it for others – and they are the ones who have nothing better to do with their time. Example: on nin.com, there’s 3-4 different people that each send me between 50 – 100 message per day of delusional, often threatening nonsense. We can delete them, but they just sign back up and start again. Yes, we are implementing several changes to address this, but the point is it quickly gets very old weeding through that stuff.

Back to Twitter. I approached that as a place to be less formal and more off-the-cuff, honest and “human”. I was not expecting to broadcast details of my love life there, but it happened because I’m in love and it’s all I think about and that’s that. If this has bummed you out or destroyed what you’ve projected on me, fair enough – it’s probably time for you to leave. You are right, I’m not the same person I was in 1994 (and I’m happy about that). Are you?

Looks like the Metal Sludge contingency has discover Twitter! Finally! For those of you that don’t know what this is, please let me explain. Metal Sludge is the home of the absolutely worst people I’ve ever come across. It’s populated mainly by unattractive plump females who publicly fantasize about having sex with guys in bands. Kind of like a role-playing game where people NOBODY will fuck make up stories about their incredible sexual encounters with people they WISH they could fuck. It would be kind of funny in a sad and pathetic way except the fun doesn’t stop there – hate and good old-fashioned outright blatant racism are also encouraged to spice things up and remind you how truly ugly these scourges are. TRULY ugly on the inside (the outside is obvious).

Cutter’s tip for my friends there: remember to cut along the length of vein, not across. Bigger payoff.

So when you see the new accounts that pop up daily on Twitter spewing exactly the kind of thing I just discussed, usually from picture-less creatively named profiles, spewing hate at Mariqueen and I, take a moment to visualize the sad couple people behind them.
A few years ago some people tuned me in to that world and when I figured out who these people were, I was amazed that I’d been seeing them in the front rows of the shows for months. I really don’t understand what kind of “fan” spends that kind of time and money to travel across the country seeing a band, to then dedicate an incredible amount of time and energy into non-stop hate diatribes online. That one puzzles me a little.

Anyway, I’m bored on a long bus drive and there’s no real moral to the story here, just writing. I will be tuning out of the social networking sites because at the end of the day it’s now doing more harm than good in the bigger picture and the experiment seems to have yielded a result. Idiots rule.

I had thought a while ago about attempting to start a mainstream public forum that required real verification of it’s participants for purposes of context. The idea was to have a place where you can actually discuss whatever and have some idea of who you’re conversing with. For example, if we were discussing drumming techniques and you can see that someone participating in the discussion is a drum instructor vs. a 13 year old kid Googling answers, you’d have the proper context in which to have a potentially valid discussion. If we were discussing EDLC’s heart condition and a real cardiologist speaks up, I’d value his opinion over, say FredFuckFaceWhateverHisLastFuckingNameIs’s “opinion”. Know what I mean? Anyway, we’re in a world where the mainstream social networks want any and all people to boost user numbers for the big selloff and are not concerned with the quality of experience.

With all of that said, I have business in the real world to attend to including wrapping up the live version of NIN, DOING some cool new shit and spending as much time as possible with the most amazing woman in the world.

It’s been fun, Trent.

Comments (95)
  1. I’ll bet dollar to doughnuts this will shoot up the most commented list.

  2. OLVE  |   Posted on Jun 10th, 2009 0

    ay caramba

  3. unfortunate, i usually always clicked on the links and information he shared… thanks trent

  4. It was always funny to think of Trent twittering. I knew it wouldn’t last. Damn.

  5. joe shmoe  |   Posted on Jun 10th, 2009 0

    what happens when you create an image you cant sustain
    Also: the internet is a giant clusterfuck.

  6. Hey Trent. Not really a fan, can’t think of a NiN song off the top of my head, BUT… I get what you’re saying here, idiots rule when you get enough people together. In computer programming, we have a site called Stack Overflow (http://stackoverflow.com) where the community is self-policing because users can vote up and down answers to particular questions. Maybe that same model would work for a music-related site?

  7. chris  |   Posted on Jun 10th, 2009 0

    It took Twitter for Trent to realize that idiots do rule the internets indeed.

  8. pat  |   Posted on Jun 10th, 2009 0

    Hey Trent – way to combat that good old fashioned racism with some good old fashioned misogyny! Great job, pal! Oh and also – fuck you.

    • Yeah, I have to agree with the misogyny thing–if you wanna call it misogyny, though I’m not sure it is, per se. I thought Trent was better than that. Ugly on the inside, I can accept as a legitimate statement, but insulting people because of what they look like and how much they weigh? Not that Trent’ll read this, but I’d love to hear him defend that.

      • Have you ever actually read Metal Sludge? It really is the home to the most miserable groupies one can encounter. These idiots get excited about discussing Fred Durst’s penis size. He is not exagerrating. Also, two of the people who were attacking him on the web, found his home address and posted it all over the web – not too cool!

    • Come on, calling one very specific group of people fat and ugly hardly makes someone a misogynist. It was maybe a little immature and not exactly politically correct, but hardly misogynistic. I also doubt an actual misogynist would have such nice things to say about his wife (which seems to be the reason he was angry with those people in the first place). Seriously, I’m a girl (and a very liberal and politically aware one at that) and Trent’s post didn’t set off any alarms in my head – maybe someone needs to grow a thicker skin, hm?

    • bird  |   Posted on Jun 11th, 2009 0

      look at you and your negative votes! go team pat!

    • zik  |   Posted on Jun 11th, 2009 0

      It’s not misogynistic if it’s the truth.

    • orbus unum  |   Posted on Jun 12th, 2009 0

      Must be a fat girl.

  9. Nice Jane’s reference, there. I wonder what NIN love songs will sound like…

    Also, here’s hoping that this is a harbinger of Twitter’s demise. All the “@hesaid, @shesaid” talk on that Fred dude’s blog is way too distracting; it’s like lingo as a substitute for content.

  10. he’ll be back… they all come back. quit and come back again and again… it’s like vRave and IRC all over again. (for those who were on this internet thing back in the days)

  11. Silly Trent. Doesn’t he realize that once you start to use Twitter, you join the idiots?

  12. Dammit. Trent was one of the few who were actually adding value to Twitter.

  13. This is really interesting because it seems that Trent began to mentally invest himself into the online world – a point at which, for any person acquainted with message boards, is a terrible thing to do. Those stupid people he talks about ruling the internet don’t rule anything – if you ignore them, it’s like they never existed.

  14. damn  |   Posted on Jun 10th, 2009 0

    damn, that sucks I like his tweets. He loves Grizzly Bear too which makes him awwwight in my book.

  15. oh oh oh, Internet frustration.

  16. God riddance, this guy thinks he is cool that he as a relatively older guy uses modern technology and that by using this technology he is actually contributing to music. Make some good records first, nobody cares about your twitter statuses. He is only popular with tech freaks who like to think they are into alternative music.

    • FlimFlam  |   Posted on Jun 11th, 2009 0

      As a person who owns zero NIN albums and generally dislikes that sort of music…
      I think its obvious that the guy has released some good albums. Maybe not what I like, but definitely some stuff that has stood the test of time for a lot of people and really enriched the lives they lead.
      Not sure if its only “Tech Geeks” who like him, but I’m not sure what would be wrong with that.
      What sort of person SHOULD a band’s following be?

  17. I’ve got a huge amount of respect for Trent and have been a big fan since I heard TDS, but I admittedly had to unfollow once his love life started seeping onto Twitter. Not really an ideal platform to publicly share sweet nothings IMO, especially when that ends up being read by two-thirds of a million people — it’s unfortunately bound to stir up some ill will from within the more worryingly fanatical (not to mention insanely jealous) of his followers.

    It’s a shame about the whole Eric thing getting out of hand as well with the more cynical propoundings poured forth by Trent’s detractors, but again someone with Trent’s stature is seldom this approachable in public, and will naturally draw fire from folks who have nothing better to do than try and take him down a peg or two. It’s sad, but unfortunately inevitable.

  18. mango loard  |   Posted on Jun 10th, 2009 0

    I HAVE THE CLAP!

  19. I want to f**k you like an animal
    I want to feel you from the inside
    I want to f**k you like an animal
    My whole existence is flawed
    You get me closer to god

    EMBARRASSING

  20. I’ve been trying to understand this whole clusterfuck (I follow Trent on twitter, so I guess I missed this whole thing) but I can’t find a straight answer. Can anyone point me in the direction of where I can read what this is all about? Or explain it in layman’s terms? I tried reading this “Eric”‘s blog, but I guess I need to know more about it to understand what he’s trying to say.

  21. The people who are now unfollowing Trent purely because he let his love life (which is, down to a basic level – his happiness) seep onto Twitter are the exact kind of people Trent is talking about. You’ve all built him up on this giant fucking pedestal that he can’t even begin to live up to… is it his fault or ours? Are you suprised he’s given up? Maybe its the 200 threatening emails he gets each day (I’m pretty sure I’d crack if that was me), maybe its the fucking diseased rodent cunts calling him out for donating hours of his day each day for a good cause (and raising about a million dollars in the process), hell – it could be anything.

    For a site that can get REALLY FUCKING BORING, Trent sure made Twitter interesting.

    And before you declare me some suck up NIN fanboy – well, I might be a NIN fanboy, but if there’s any community that doesn’t take Trent seriously its his own fans. Take five seconds to look around nin.com or echoingthesound.org to see he’s not exactly immune from jokes, or anything.

    I don’t know I’m rambling.. wow comments are a bad idea on websites sometimes.

  22. Lamby  |   Posted on Jun 10th, 2009 0

    In all honestly, I’m not a NIN fan but I always read Trent Reznor’s Tweets. I thought he was funny.

  23. I’m sick of hearing random stories on Stereogum about Trent Reznor trying to “adapt” himself into this generation’s “culture”. This doesn’t do anything for me. I come here to read about music.

  24. taylor o  |   Posted on Jun 10th, 2009 0

    Isn’t amazing how a few assholes can ruin a great thing? TR is a normal guy. those of us who have known that all along are obviously who he cares about. I’m willing to admit that I was upset when I heard that NIN will no longer be touring, but that still doesn’t change the fact that Trent is as close as this time period has to a musical genius and we should all respect him for his dedication and for the nearly two decades he spent touring for us.

  25. Justice  |   Posted on Jun 10th, 2009 0

    The worst thing about the Internet is the IRO (Idiots Rule Online). Ask yourself this: yes you can ignore the IRO on a website by going to another page but would you really want to hang out with those pricks in your real life? Imagine working, collaborating with them. What a nightmare.

  26. the comments on stereogum are always a testament to the idiocy of the internets

  27. Evan  |   Posted on Jun 10th, 2009 0

    everyone should know the internet is a giant caldron of shit

  28. nono  |   Posted on Jun 11th, 2009 0

    good for him. people are dumb.

  29. “The idea was to have a place where you can actually discuss whatever and have some idea of who you’re conversing with.”

    I totally agree! I am getting really fed up and bored with the trolls and people spewing hate filled opinions because of the anonymity they have on most forums these days.

    How would things look if you were to shift the conversation onto video where everyone could see you?

    No more 40 year old men posing as 18 year old blonds that’s for sure ( damn, that one gets me every time ! ;-)

  30. I think Trent makes a good point about checking the validity of people’s idenity, but I don’t think you should necessarily be able to track it back to an individual. Its more to do with Trust & reputation. how much reputation does a person that is posting a comment on to my blog have? If they are a fresh account with no history, then they are untrusted and must have all comments moderated before they get online. As they prove themselves not to be a spammer/troll, their reputation increases and they might be allowed more freedom. Its pretty much the way the world works… why shouldn’t the internet work the same way. And the best thing is that it is all still open and free and democratised and you can still remain anonymous

  31. I’m not a huge NIN fan but I generally enjoyed reading Trent’s opinions when they pop up on blogs like this. I appreciate that he’s both articulate and honest (and often funny) in expressing his opinions, which seem like rarities for someone in his line of work, and I’ll be a little disappointed to see that go. It’s too bad that a small number of assholes made him uncomfortable enough to stop doing something that a lot of people appeared to enjoy. As a number of others have already said, I’m kind of surprised it’s taken him this long to realize how much of a shithole the internet can be.

  32. tsss SEE, it’s always fat chicks that ruin things. n speaking of which, if anyone gets angry on here and says’ fuck you’ to Trent, then you are clearly a sad lonely fatty-fatty fat face:P

  33. indierockgrl  |   Posted on Jun 11th, 2009 0

    Do you really think that cyber-attacking fans, bullying people and writing profanity-laden tweets is adding value to Twitter?!! You obviously haven’t read any of Trent Reznor’s latest rants. This guy has serious issues…he needs to disappear for a while and grow up. It’s definitely getting embarrassing.

  34. “Odds are that if you have a Twitter account, you’re one of the 640,000+ people following @trent_reznor.” With 640,000 followers and 10m subscribers at least, the odds are actually that you won’t be following Trent.

  35. Too bad he’s quitting Twitter. His tweets were pretty interesting from time to time. Of course anyone who exposes himself in a online community like that will have to deal with freaks and idiots. Especially when you’re a well known person. That’s the downside of an open online community.

  36. c.  |   Posted on Jun 11th, 2009 0

    i’m always flabbergasted when i see artists get so infuriated by The Things People Say on the Internet — even when those things are said directly to them. as somebody who grew up with the internet, and spent a great deal of time on message boards as a teenager, it’s always seemed to me that one of the fundamental tenets of mature internet use is to simply choose not to allow online negativity to bother or effect you. don’t read it. make a sandwich instead. i mean, choosing not to be flustered by the bullshit around you is part of maturity in general, but it’s much more difficult to ignore somebody shouting obscenities in your face than it is to simply click the little black ‘x’ in the corner of the screen. not really being a big NIN follower, i’m not going to try to psychoanalyze Trent, but it seems to me that this reaction is indicative of either immaturity on his part, or the effects of generational differences.

    (and bear in mind i say all of this not really knowing what precisely was done/said by these ‘metal sludge’ people’.)

  37. Joe  |   Posted on Jun 11th, 2009 0

    Trent’s experiment to learn how to market to me has failed.

    I don’t want to know that ANY band is conducting a multi-year “experiment” to learn how to market to me through Web 2.0. Just make music. Please…just hire someone to do your marketing/PR. You’re an artist…remember?

  38. Jack Az  |   Posted on Jun 11th, 2009 0

    Trent who? Twitter what?

  39. blah  |   Posted on Jun 11th, 2009 0

    I knew nothing of this ‘Metal Sludge’ site. Sounds like one big hot mess, thanks Trent!

  40. Shya  |   Posted on Jun 11th, 2009 0

    Unfortunately the problem is not with social media, it’s with Trent. It is easy to prove this by the fact that people such as Ashton Kutcher (and hundreds of other musicians and celebs) flourish on Twitter and have never once threatened to leave, and has tons of haters out there that regularly let him know just how much of a douchebag they think he is. He responds to them often. Hell even Maynard James Keenan has 2 different Twitter accounts and doesn’t invest in haters by responding or even bothering to read their stupid crap. Sadly, the last thing I would ever expect to learn about Trent Reznor on Twitter was that he would be the big crying “I’m taking my toys and going home cuz someone said something bad to me” type. He refuses to acknowledge the block feature apparently and from the links he posts, it would seem he spends quite a bit of time scouring the internet for hate about himself. At least I can only assume he scours the internet for it, because I just can’t believe that people send him shit saying “here, so and so is talking trash about you, read this!” and he suddenly goes brain dead and says “Ok, I’ll read that!” –
    So all in all, I have to say good riddance, and here is why. Before the Twitter concept, I had imagined Trent as a strong-willed, takes no shit, musical innovator and after experiencing Trent on Twitter I am left with nothing but the reality which is a sloppy, hot headed, cry baby.
    So goodbye Trent. I for one am happy you are leaving even though I enjoy your music tremendously because I would much rather go back to the image I had of you before.

    • alice  |   Posted on Jun 11th, 2009 0

      i don’t know why anybody would want to defend hostility to begin with though, which is kinda what you’re doing. if you don’t have anything good to say, then don’t say it just because it’s easy to do while sitting behind a keyboard. the ones who should pack their toys and go home are the ones who don’t accept what trent chooses to write about in the first place. some people expect and uphold standards for manners, and that sounds like trent. while you can ignore detractors, choose not to respond, block and so forth, the hassle is not worth the upkeep. it’s his world afterall, so why would he or anyone want there to be more pollution than positive thinking floating around in it?

  41. Michael_  |   Posted on Jun 11th, 2009 0

    I’m not one to write a novel on here, but I can very much relate to what Trent is saying about internet communities, and this was such a cathartic thing for me to read. I recently experienced frustrations on a local music board firsthand myself. When people threaten you and berate you constantly for no reason other than being new to “their” board, holding differing opinions to their very hateful ones, it wears down on you and you can sometimes find yourself stooping to their levels of idiocracy in response. Above all, it’s creepy how far people will go to seek revenge on you. I’m surprised Trent didn’t crack, because I sure did. When you throw people into the equation, the Internet is a wasteland.

  42. i’m glad he’s not tweeting anymore. twitter is a pointless waste of time to keep us distracted from the economic downturn. much like this website.

  43. ev  |   Posted on Jun 11th, 2009 0

    …but what does Billy Corgan think about all this>?

    • ws  |   Posted on Jun 11th, 2009 0

      LOL, my favorite comment on this thread! Who’d have thought those two would actually be providing comic relief 15 years ago???

  44. dd  |   Posted on Jun 11th, 2009 0

    Maybe I’m one of the idiots, but I think he pretty much summed up web 2.0 with that. “Idiots rule”.

    I’ve deleted every account I’ve had at most “social” forums. I’ve deleted my facebook, myspace, last.fm, shoutwire, twitter, identica, youtube, flickr, stumbleupon, and quite a few other accounts. I go 3-4 day periods without posting to reddit but reddit seems to be the last one i participate on. I’ve given up most support forums for mailing list and irc rooms when i’m able to.

    But web 2.0 and online “community” I think as the web has become incredibly mainstream, is just awful. I find myself sucked in to negativity, arguing with faceless people with ridiculous perspectives (to me), and getting interested about what’s going on in “the community”. What’s hot, what’s not. It’s been the biggest waste of time ever.

    Furthermore since web 2.0 has intermixed with mainstream society so much, its ..funny, but most of the time just sad.. how much internet hordes have gone on rampages to harass and be down right mean and cruel to others and most of these social networks really foster that behavior. Web 2.0 didn’t make people “meaner” online, but it sure made it mainstream and very common place. The hordes have also gotten bigger and meaner (see: 4chan)

    It’s just that..the internet was a very different place before the likes of myspace, youtube, facebook and twitter. Before those sites the most everyone used the intenet was people latching on to AIM when they went to college. Most of the internet experience at that point was passive viewing more than anything else, for most.

    I’ve set my google reader up with 100s of feeds i enjoy, hopefully i’ll break my last addiction (web 2.0) and go back to doing what i used to. Less talking, more reading.

    I guess the biggest part I dislike in web2.0 is that it encourages feelings of self importance, rampant narcissism, etc.. Supposedly the world is supposed to care about YOU and everything about you. What you’re doing right now, you’re political affiliations, what music you like, what movies,what books. It’s like cyberspace has become one great big car bumper, with infinite room for you to advertise all about you. The world was better when no one gave a shit.

    Furthermore i think that makes us look at people as a series of categories and associated stereotypes that go along with those categories, rather than.. i dunno, getting to know actual people. I really think people need to do a lot less expressing themselves and yapping and a lot more listening. Find someone smart to admire.. an artist, an author, a scientist, .. read what someone accomplished has to say, not what MSDN on reddit.com has to. Or me for that matter. (hypocritical of me typing this, i know)

    And on the subject of personal security and privacy. Really? with these comapnies EULAs, with the way things are indexed and stored and cached, do you really want all this info about you publicly broadcast, for the world to see, most likely, through your entire life? I don’t.

    there’s varios degrees of “private” on every system, myspace, facebook, livejournal, last.fm. The problem is.. it still is encouraging to login and “participate, which, honestly the services and benefits these sites provide me are really small when compared to the huge waste of time they are. Honestly when i go home from work, I’d rather just read a book or workout rather than be itching to see who said what to me on XYZ.com or what’s the latest news, or oohh look at my charts.

    To me all this stuff is super neat, super captivating and super useless.

    I also find it odd that its quite common online for people to criticize the ‘idiot masses’ , to constantly speak on individuals as “sheep” or “sheeple”, especially though couch potatoe americans who vote for every American Idol but can’t be fucked on Election day. So many sit back and bitch and point fingers, about their vapid, constant and consistent escapism that’s well beyond healthy doses in watching the most unchallenging, morally questionable material (Moment of Truth, Bachelor, John and Kate make 8!)… and people like myself, and many of those people making those criticisms about society.. we’re no different. We’re just busy updating our facebook, twitting about how often we go to the bathroom, or adding graphics to our myspaces. We’re busy on forums and social 2.0 sites arguing with people that are either A) dumb B) just as stubborn as other person but opposite opinion regardless of subject matter or C) a troll. Really, when I look at the massive time i’ve spent online since i’ve been 15 years old (i’m 28 now), 80% of it has been a huge waste. While it may not be the same for everyone out there, I’d venture to say it’s partially true for a lot of people. We’ve just invented new useless ways to pass by the time until we die. Seriously, who gives a damn about a last.fm chart or recommendation? I don’t care how much FatGothEmoSwedishGrrl69 listens to brokencyde.

    I find every “community” is the same. It starts off kinda neat and novel, with a great new way of organizing and finding information and such throughout the web using people or using algorithms or using both. Purely democratic, kinda democratic, or maybe just user submitted but heavily moderated.. all that is really inconsequential. Eventually it becomes a “hit” because how awesome it is, the masses take it over, corporations are attracted to it and begin influencing it with Perception management groups or by paying off the owners and maintainers of the site. a year or two in and everything that was once cool about the site, has been whittled down next to nothing.

    I dunno, I think as time goes by, a section of society seems to advance the rest of us. That’s always been kind of true. I think the populace as a whole, is getting dumber and less mature.

    And the voices of those great thinkers from eras before? Today they get drowned out in a sea of online drama, twits, celebrity news on tv, and real news stations (on tv and online) giving a rats ass about michael jackson’s kids being unmasked!

    Everything is getting reduced down to more repetitive, louder, more obnoxious, and sensational soundbytes as it’s the only real way to penetrate all the noise.

    I don’t think society is handling technology very responsibly. I don’t think they will mature into it either. Some people will, but the masses won’t.

    People have been preaching about giving away personal information since AOL 3.0, hell since CompServ’s WOW or Prodigy. And look at what the biggest sites are? Myspace, Facebook, and Twitter.. three sites designed for no other purpose than to give your personal information away. To give up any sense of anonymity online. The was a lesson taught in schools, homes, and on tv broadcasts more than a 15 years ago, and even the smartest of us have tossed that advice right out the window. The whole purpose of Web 2.0 is for people to constantly blab about themselves, their day, their life, their opinions, where they live, who they hate, who they love, who they voted for, etc

    How many stories do we see of people who can’t get hired or who get fired b/c of some Facebook pictures? Or b/c of some comments on an online forum that comes up in a Google search? This shit ruins people’s lives, and still, most people don’t care.

    Go look at the galleries at the shroomery or bluelight.ru (a forum for responsible drug usage.) The sheer number of people that would post pictures of them doing illegal drugs were phenomenal. There was one girl who constantly posted pics of her with syringes laying around her, smoking crack and/or meth completely naked with sex toys laying about. How many vids are there of kids smoking salvia? killing cats? And you just got to wonder, wtf is wrong with people. This could hurt you for a long long long time.

    Or look at how amateur porn has exploded. Take a look at Adult Friend Finder, Alt.com, Ashley Madison, and swinger social sites. All of which encourage you to post “face pics” of course.

    This is the world youtube has brought us. This is technology and communication in the hands of everyone. While it’s produced fruit like Ted Talks, Wikipedia, Wolfram Alpha .. 99% is one loud, continuous fart joke.

    And it’s not good enough for this to be attached to our computers. Nope. Web2.0 and the “community” has to be attached to us every where we go on our overly expensive phones. Forget associating with people in person, when you can let the whole world know all about you as you sit by yourself in TGIFriday’s.

    Remember when nobody had cellphones, then people got em if they needed em, then because they were cool? Now you can hardly do business without one, not to mention being treated like a social pariah if you switch off for a day. At least you have the luxury of withdrawing form Web 2.0. Web 3.0 will be compulsory.

    well they can all call me a social pariah, b/c i don’t own a cell phone and don’t ever intend to. I have at 2 times previously, but like web 2.0, the cost (time and/or money) is too high for the little benefit they provide, IMHO. I don’t like being contacted everywhere.

    I work and live with my gf, and needless to say when I’m away.. i don’t need her getting in touch with me. My family can also be quite over bearing and i don’t need them to be able to reach me whereever and i live near my job so even if i’m not on-call, if they had my cell number, they’d just call me to go reboot something, or fix something “since i’m nearby”. Screw that. Being disconnected sometimes is healthy.

    Not to mention that cellphones have brought the worst out in people, or at least given them a platform to show just how annoying they really are. Texting while driving, blaring Toby Keith or T-Pain as their ring tone, doing that stupid Nextel 2-way radio crap in a crowded bar so every ten seconds you gotta have that annoying beep in your ear, not turning the damn thing off in a theater, or in line at the grocery store. Society’s behavior with cellphones is enough in itself for me to despise them.

    I understand there are USEFUL and responsible ways to use a cellphone. But from where i’m sitting, the masses don’t do that. I love how 10,000 teens, tweens, and loser-adults who won’t grow up have also had some kind of apparent meeting and decided they all needed camera / mp3 player/ touch screen phones with full internet access too. They can barely provide for themselves ,but damn they look cool. Cellphones are the new spinning rims.

    But beyond that, even looking at older generations you see a group of old guys on a golf course and there’s always one who takes 15 minutes to hit a fucking ball b/c his work is calling, his wife is calling, someone is always calling. I can’t count the times i’ve also been deep in conversation with someone and they’re passively saying “ya, uh huh, ya” to you while in some deep texting convo with someone else. Or the people that need to look super important at work by checking their blackberry everytime some crappy distro list chucks them an email, like it can’t wait a whopping 2-3 minutes. I’d like to take all these people’s phones, toss them on the ground, and jump up and down on them like a 5 year old throwing a tantrum. I really would.

    I also find cellphones to be a complete ripoff. The sheer amount of physical wire and equipment needed to maintain the land line system is phenominal. You’re talking a 100 of years of work, constant repairs. While the cell system is much more advanced, it takes a lot less maintenance and manpower. So explain why the hell the average cellphone bill is anywhere from 2 – 5 times the average land line bill. Internet on mobile devices sucks for the most part, even “web versions ” of most websites are slow and lacking in functionality. Texting costs are phenomenally high. the cameras built into phones are usually awful quality. I don’t get it. I never will.

    • andrew  |   Posted on Jun 11th, 2009 0

      tl; dr.

      Also, you put in way too much effort considering no one will read this :(

    • there are videos of people killing cats ? D:

    • astro  |   Posted on Jun 12th, 2009 0

      incidentally, that would have made a great livejournal entry.

    • ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    • “well they can all call me a social pariah, b/c i don’t own a cell phone and don’t ever intend to.”

      “they” don’t call you anything because “they” is your cat.

      AND ALSO

      did you actually think Stereogum was going to give you a job?

      AND FINALLY

      I know you are going to read this. Twat. You love Web 2.0 .

    • bleedin ell!  |   Posted on Jun 22nd, 2009 0

      dear lord, you call out web2.0 for creating “rampant narcissism”… um, self awareness bitch, do you have it?

      Look at all the other comments, look at yours… look again, compare… contrast.

      No wonder you dont like twitter though, 140 characters limit! That must kill you.

  45. Ididts don’t rule anything – it’s up to you whether you want to pay attention to them or not. I like NIN a lot but outlooks like that show a negative and – haha – idiotic perspective. I bet Trent will become a lot more positive after having found true love. Let’s hope it lasts. Either way, it should be interesting to see how this will project in his future music.

    I actually hope that web 2.0 and future networks will continue to break down the barrier between custmomers and celebs, so that both become more of an equal. It’s time that we all grow up and see life from all sides.

  46. Dammit, Trent, learn the difference between “it’s” and “its”.

    • S.  |   Posted on Jun 12th, 2009 0

      You have to give him credit for not having made any other error. Just look at the way other musicians spell. I saw a bulletin where Katy Perry said: “Check out my new photo’s of me.” That one’s not an error, she’s probably retarded.

  47. I think it’s okay for him to quit web 2.0, but the thing about web 2.0 is it’s not real life therefore you don’t need to ANNOUNCE your departure. No one is going to think you’re dead because you stopped twittering. Especially if you’re Trent Reznor.

  48. RC  |   Posted on Jun 11th, 2009 0

    The guys makes good music, his living his life. who can imagine living their life in the spotlight,under a microscope every god damn fucking day. I would get tired of the bullshit too. The artist/fan relationship is borderline on complete bat shit insanity with people thinking they have the right to say & do whatever because they bought your record. Those Fans need to fuck off & just enjoy the music or at least shut the fuck up…….. & get a real life

  49. This bothers me on various levels but mainly because he seems to be one of the only “aging” musicians who really understands the utility of new media and how to use it properly to no only promote but to engage.

    I saw him first hand come to a show 6 hours early to give all who donated money for the #help eric fund raiser, where NIN single handed raised 800K+ to help someone in need. He took time out, day in and day out, to give these fans an experience they will never forget and helped someone with a medical condition and even on this he was hated on the web by so called fans. He is at the end of the day a human, not just a celebrity. He is also an artist who has spent 20+ years entertaining ungrateful fools. The people who are losing out here are the people I saw leaving the NIN/JA shows in tears last weekend, who finally got to meet their favorite band and found out what an awesome person Trent is. And Trent is losing because apparently the positive things that he has done, changing the music industry game, reaching out to fans has had an effect, just not on the idiots, but those morons will always be ugly.

  50. Actually, the odds are about 1 in 16, and with the readership being music fans, I’d imagine it’s a freeroll from there.

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