The great transgressive author Bret Easton Ellis has a new podcast, and he scored a major coup for his first guest: Kanye West. In the hour-long episode, which includes the first part of a two-page conversation, West and Ellis talk about movies, which means we get to hear West expounding on 12 Years A Slave and Menace II Society and Flight, as well as “the skill set to dress nice” and his own maturity issues. West and his DONDA company made a trailer for the Ellis-written movie The Canyons, and West directed a promo video for Yeezus based on Ellis’s American Psycho, but it’s still a weird thrill to hear them in a room together. Listen to it here. UPDATE: And here‘s part 2.