Hey have you heard? Shoegaze has “become hip again”! And Guardian’s got a big ol’ feature on it, identifying Deerhunter and Asobi Seksu among others as the “nu-gazers” responsible for the resurgence — and asking “why now?”

Worthy topic, sure, but it’s the quotes that count, and in speaking with those responsible for the first-wave, they scored a doosy.

It doesn’t help that Alan McGee, the man who signed Ride, My Bloody Valentine and Slowdive to Creation, is its most vehement critic. “Bloody nonsense. My Bloody Valentine were my comedy band.

Ride were different – they were a rock band, really, a fantastic rock band – but My Bloody Valentine were a joke, my way of seeing how far I could push hype.” Although he said Shields was a genius in the Guardian in 2004, he now says, unconvincingly, that the revival is just people still buying his lies.

Alan McGee — loveless. As if we have to ask. So, we won’t. Instead we dedicate this to you, Alan McGee! Thanks for the laughs.

Comments (95)
  1. Jonathan  |   Posted on Jul 27th, 2007 0

    how can someone say that without spontaneously combusting afterwards? and yeah Ride were amazing

  2. Sean  |   Posted on Jul 27th, 2007 0

    obviously they’ve had a personal falling out. Or maybe MBV lost a ton of his money. They had a way of doing that with people’s money…

  3. mama  |   Posted on Jul 27th, 2007 0

    has there been a period since the early 90s when a bands HAVEN’T been compared to MBV?

  4. tngregory  |   Posted on Jul 27th, 2007 0

    perhaps curve will reunite. they were only about 12 years ahead of their time, afterall. they could simply rerelease blindfold and start again.

  5. arcade fire>you  |   Posted on Jul 27th, 2007 0

    My Bloody Valentine were really a joke. They don’t compare to a real band such as the Arcade Fire.

  6. Funny  |   Posted on Jul 27th, 2007 0

    Yeah…lets see how many bands Arcade Fire influence in the next few years compared to what MBV did. Don’t get me wrong, Arcade Fire are good, but not near the influence or depth or genius of MBV.

  7. Richie  |   Posted on Jul 27th, 2007 0

    McGee’s had some kind of falling out with Kevin Shields, I can only assume.. He has an awfully high opinion of himself, if he thinks his ability to hype is the only reason people took to MBV.. Shields did make some comments recently in an attempt to set the record straight over the percieved expense of ‘Loveless’ to the label but I didn’t percieve any of them as being especially derogatory to Creation Records.

  8. myname  |   Posted on Jul 27th, 2007 0

    What the fuck about M83?

  9. coolhandluke  |   Posted on Jul 27th, 2007 0

    If you are one of McGee’s friends on Myspace & saw the 3000 inane bulletins he does nowadays, you’d realize he is a damn joke, a comedy act now (though not a very funny one)

  10. BruceSTL  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    myname – I agree with your decry…what about M83?!? I think they’re one of the more underrated bands in this vein – “nu-gaze” or what-the-hell-ever it’s being called today…all I know is, I saw them at Lollapalooza 05 – 2nd act of day one, and they were unbelievable.

  11. Liam  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    yeah alan mcgee doesn’t really help his case against MBV by being a raging drug addict either (at least according to kevin shields, and i’m more apt to believe the guy who made “loveless” than the guy who DIDN’T make “loveless”).

  12. My Bloody Valentine is an amazing band.
    I don’t know how anyone could actually call them a joke.
    And shoegaze is such an amazing and creative genre of music.

  13. I always liked Klosterman’s recap of MBV:

    “On the surface, My Bloody Valentine should be underrated, but they?re not; everyone who aggressively cares about alt guitar music considers Loveless to be a modern classic, and everyone who is wont to mention ?swirling guitars? during casual conversation always references this specific album. Loveless sold about 200,000 copies. This is the correct number of people on earth who should be invested in the concept of swirling guitars.”

  14. frankie  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    alan mcgee is a poopy-head.
    nothing better came out of the 90′s.

  15. frankie  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    if you like mbv you should try out Mob.

    http://www.myspace.com/mobnoise

  16. Let the Snakes Crinkle Their Heads to Death  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    There was a TV documentary about Creation a few years ago, and McGee swore blind that he had absolutely no ambition to be a rock star himself, he just wanted to put out records made by other people. That would be why about a quarter of Creation’s releases were by Biff Bang Pow!, then. If we want to discuss pathetic underachieving comedy bands…

  17. avantsweater  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    The Jasmine Minks are pretty good! Think! about it.

  18. Apexa  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    Yeah but the thing is, MBV got all the hype & were represented as the pinnacle of shoegaze. When in fact, to me it was Slowdive that did the best representation of the genre.

  19. I always thought mbv were kind of a bad fit with the other shoegaze acts. great, yeah, but at least a little removed from the standard ‘dream-pop’; noisier, a bit more sinister… at least on loveless. And I’m not sure if something like “soft as snow…” wouldn’t fall better under the madchester heading. maybe?

    biff bang pow was pretty good, at least what I’ve heard. Their album titles could make emo-rockers cringe (“Love is Forever”), but they hold a nice spot in my record collection between the go-betweens and razorcuts.

    Kitchens of Distinction would also be shoegaze in my mind, or at least tangentially related, and Interpol ripped them off pretty thoroughly, so maybe that would make Interpol the beginning of the newgazers….?

  20. nick  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    you nerds are seriously debating about a genre of music named “shoegaze”

    ugghhhhhhh

  21. sean  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    I can tell you from personal experience that the Charlatans UK album is truly fantastic at 45 rpm.

  22. Michael  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    McGee is half right. (early) Ride were AMAZING. But so were MBV.
    Did anyone see them live? Trust me, you didn’t need any drugs
    to trip at that hot show.

    But Deerhunter and AS nu-gaze? Eh.
    The leaders here are A Sunny Day In Glasgow. This is the best
    album of 07. So far. Brilliant.

  23. tim mccool  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    I’m an M83 fan, but Asobi Seksu is pretty good too, guys.

  24. Matt  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    Slowdive kind of abandoned the shoegaze thing, though, didn’t they? “Pygmalion” was more like avant garde sound pieces. It’s tough to believe it was the same band that made “Souvlaki.” But if you guys haven’t listened to Neil Halstead’s solo album, yer missing out.

    But M83? Come on. That shit sounds like a Nokia “shoegaze” midi ringtone.

  25. I always preferred Isn’t Anything to Loveless.

    And the early Creation EPs are CLASSICS!

  26. erin  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    it was completely bizarre to see Alan McGee the soft-spoken music geek in a cardigan turn into AlanMcGee the megomaniacal mogul in a suit in the wake of Oasis. What an ass to say that about MBV. Kevin Shields should smother him with a parka.

  27. david  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    saying that interpol is shoegaze via kitchens of distinctions is like saying a tomato is a fruit via the round shape it shares with an apple. save for the lead singer’s voice, i see no connection stylistically between kitchens of distinction and interpol.

    there are plenty of wonderful new shoegaze bands out there. airiel, fleeting joys, astrobrite, mahogany, etc.

  28. peter swift  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    starflyer 59

  29. drewo  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    “Loveless” is great, but “Isn’t Anything” was my gateway to MBV and still my favourite.

    Caught MBV at Maxwell’s back around “Loveless”. My buddy and I were sipping beers before the show, and we both glanced just behind us to check out the sound man. Astonished grins covered our faces, and we raised our beers in toast, to the man behind the sound board that night – one J Mascis.

  30. Chris B  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    Airiel is great, even though they sometimes get a little over the top aping the early Ride stuff.
    myspace.com/airiel

    Apteka is pretty hot as well.

    myspace.com/apteka

  31. bpr  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    Alan McGee tried to hype the last Mogwai record as being better than Loveless. How did that album do? I doubt his power of persuasion is as good as he thinks.

  32. It is!  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    david: Technically, the tomato IS a fruit.

  33. Evan  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    I like My Bloody Valentine, but their music sounds so..FLAT.

  34. Ben  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    “I like My Bloody Valentine, but their music sounds so..FLAT.”

    headphones.

  35. The Spilken8r  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    So… No mention of The Catherine Wheel in this whole thread. So I thought I’d mention as far as shoegaze albums go, “Chrome” and “Happy Days” are pretty epic.

    And MBV: a joke is clearly… a joke.

  36. Christoper  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    Asobi, Deerhunter, and Glasgow could definitely be said to sound like nu-gaze (though hopefully deserving of a better title). The Antlers is a little like that too (or at least do a shoegazey MBV cover) and even the Kevin Drew album’s a bit that way too (and alot of BSS for that matter).

  37. b.LOUD  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    True, Loveless probably cost Alan McGee a shitload of money because of how the process took but didn’t he cover his losses tenfold 2-3 years later when he signed Oasis, and then when they signed to Epic?

    He probably thinks that Ride is better than MBV because he can understand the lyrics.

  38. b.LOUD  |   Posted on Jul 28th, 2007 0

    True, Loveless probably cost Alan McGee a shitload of money because of how the long process took but didn’t he cover his losses tenfold 2-3 years later when he signed Oasis, and then when they signed to Epic?

    He probably thinks that Ride is better than MBV because he can understand their lyrics.

  39. Good show someone mentioning Curve. They never got the props they deserve. Such amazing output (I can even forgive them for Chinese Burn) yet everybody seems to love their watered down clone Garbage. GUH.

    Also, M83 is spectacular, and the thought of them playing shows with the equally spectacular Ulrich Schnauss a few years ago breaks my heart. (because I had to miss the shows)

    I’m glad more people are taking notice of the movement. It has had quite an influence on more music than we realize.

    Now if only I could get electronic music historians to realize just HOW important Skinny Puppy were…

  40. GDH  |   Posted on Jul 29th, 2007 0

    The Genre is Shoegazer, not shoegaze. They were the “shy” rockers who would look down and hide in the shadows on stage. There were only a handful of bands that fit that category, but I guess it has an unusual name so through everyone who is alt and loud into it. And am I the only one old enough to see the Ride/Lush tour…my ears bled.

  41. Dan  |   Posted on Jul 29th, 2007 0

    Within that early MBV, Ride and Curve category, I would add Lush (“Spooky” is an amazing album) and the Pale Saints.

    Today, some of the music on the Morr Music label is decent nu-gaze. The Slowdive tribute double-album on the label “Blue Skie’d an Clear” is particularly worthy of mention.

    I also like Film School (new cd in Sept. produced by Phil Eck) and Serena Maneesh.

  42. dave  |   Posted on Jul 29th, 2007 0

    A Northern Chorus are doing some great music, as are Engineers.. though both may be more on the “dream pop” side of things.

    And Mr. McGee is rubbish compared with Ivo Watts-Russell and Peter Kent of 4AD.

  43. alan mcgee — wtf???

  44. Longshanks  |   Posted on Jul 29th, 2007 0

    Shoegaze is all over the place over the last couple of years…

    Besnard Lakes, Jesu, Sunny Day In Glasgow, Silversun Pickups, Clue To Kalo, Broken Social Scene, Blonde Redhead, The ponys, Caribou, Miracle Fortress, Panda Bear, Dead Meadow, Deerhunter, Asobi Seksu, The Field, Radio Dept…

    All these artists have taken notes from Loveless…

  45. haardman  |   Posted on Jul 29th, 2007 0

    none of this would have happened without JAMC.
    i think MBV are great, but psychocandy rules…

  46. Jonathan  |   Posted on Jul 29th, 2007 0

    No mention of The Twilight Sad Longshanks?

  47. dan  |   Posted on Jul 29th, 2007 0

    McGee is the real joke here. How can anyone take someone like that seriously? It’s clear he just has some kind of vandetta against Kevin Shields because of the stress caused by Loveless’s production – which was more-than-likely due to him and his well publicised drug problems more than the cost of the album itself (which, considering his personality, is almost-certainly sensationalised anyway). The reality of the situation is that he should be grateful; Loveless will go down as one of the defining albums of the ’90s. And MBV will still be a major influence in music when Oasis are long, long forgotten…

    And yes, I am an MBV fanboy :P

  48. To the troll above whose name I’m not bothering to look up: yes, we’re nerds. I can’t think of what to call someone who reads what nerds write only to call them names and misunderstand the nature of genre names. “Shoegaze” is a stupid term, to be sure – but, like names of most genres, it’s not one musicians chose. Blame journalists, if you must.

    Anyway, pretty amusing to read – yet again – about how the genre was presumed dead and is undergoing a revival: fact is, it’s never really gone away, and ever since the late eighties, lots of bands have worked elements of that sound into their style.

  49. Edward  |   Posted on Jul 29th, 2007 0

    Damn thats crazy stuff, well I love their music anyways. That person who said that Arcade Fire is better must be a kid.

  50. Edward  |   Posted on Jul 29th, 2007 0

    Damn thats crazy stuff, well I love their music anyways. That person who said that Arcade Fire is better must be a kid.

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