When we say that Joanna Newsom has beef with bananas, let’s be clear: She is not experimenting with new recipes. Instead, she considers bananas to be a disgusting non-food, and she cannot even be in the same room if a banana peel is in a trash can. Newsom’s new album Divers is all about the redemptive power of love, and this black, all-consuming hatred isn’t something she publicly expresses too often. But in a recent interview, when she was discussing her disdain for streaming services, Newsom called Spotify the “banana of the music industry… It just gives off a fume. You can smell that something’s wrong with it.” And in a new interview with Rookie founder Tavi Gevinson, Newsom went on to elaborate, at some length, on how much she hates the fruit. Observe:

NEWSOM: I don’t eat weird shit like bananas.

GEVINSON: It’s hard to look good while eating a banana! It’s really unflattering.

I can’t even be in a room where there’s a banana peel in the trash. I have to clear out.

Really?

It makes me straight-up sick. Like, gasoline-fuel style.

Are you OK with mayonnaise?

I’m not a huge fan of mayonnaise but there’s nothing that fills me with horror and rage the way that bananas do.

Whoa. I’ve never heard such a strong opinion about a banana.

Yeah. I’m bummed I don’t like them because they’re a very nutritious snack.

Do you have a feeling about banana bread?

A very negative feeling. For me a banana is like, it’s a non-food. Like it’s like dog crap. Like if someone was like, “You don’t eat dog crap bread? You don’t even eat hard candy that’s flavored like dog crap?” It’s still a hard no.

Well banana-flavored hard candy is actually the worst.

Some people like it, some people have a thing about banana Laffy Taffy.

For the record: Banana Laffy Taffy is delicious. Also, “Are you OK with mayonnaise?” is a great interview question, and I might start using it going forward. Read the whole interview here.