Song Exploder is a podcast in which bands come on to talk about how certain songs came into being — a fascinating thing for those of us who remain mystified as to how songs can just come into existence out of nothing. The latest guests on the show are the National’s Matt Berninger and Aaron Dessner, who discuss “Sea Of Love,” their single from last year’s Trouble Will Find Me. As much as I’d rather hear them talk about “Lit Up” or “Ada,” “Sea Of Love” is still a good song and one that warrants conversation. Listen to the 18-minute interview below.

Recent episodes of Song Exploder have also featured Tycho, Stars, and the Books; learn more about the podcast here.